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[edit] Mike Mills
I think the Mike Mills Air refers to, is another Mike Mills, not the R.E.M member... does anyone have any info on this?
- He's been the director of several videos for them and he drew several of their album covers too.
[edit] Album order incorrection.
From the inroduction: "critically acclaimed _first_ album Moon Safari was _followed_ by the release of Premiers Symptômes"
And from the discography: "# 1997 Premiers Symptômes - (5 tracks) - 12"/CD Source
- 1998 Moon Safari - 12"/CD/MD Source - UK #6
- 1999 Premiers Symptômes - (7 tracks) - 12"/CD Source - UK #12"
Clearly something isn't right here. A correction or an explanation would be appreciated.
- The original Premiers Symptômes was released in 1997 in limited copies. After the success of Moon Safari, the album was re-released in 1999 with added bonus tracks.
[edit] Elle A Du Shell
What is this Air's Elle A Du Shell CD which is sold all over Internet but isn't listed here?
- It seems to be a different Air, and as such the record is mistakenly lumped in on some websites with this Air. The Air who released "Elle A Du Shell" (alternatively listed as Air IV) is German DJ Pete Namlook, aka Peter Kuhlmann (see this page on Discogs for the artist: [1] and this page for the album: [2].
- Gram 22:59, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Record Label
Air left Recordmakers some months ago.Does anybody have informations about a new record label?
- Please sign your posts on talk pages per Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages. Thanks! Hyacinth 05:19, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] homosexualtiy
aren't these guys gay? not that there's anything wrong with that...
- A common speculation given their song "Sexy Boy", but no, and there isn't. Hyacinth 08:48, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Move to Air (French band)?
Before they were simply Air, they were known as Air (French band)[3]. Since this name has some history behind it, i think it would make a better title for the article. Also, another air is at Air (Japanese band), so this move would increase consistency, too. Does anyone else support this move? Foobaz·o< 01:54, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
I've only seen "Air - French Band" on the cover of Moon Safari, and nowhere else. It's not mentioned on Les Premiers Symptômes. I can't tell you whether or not it's on the cover of the early singles, since I don't own any of them, but I've always thought the "French Band" was just a one off for moon Safari. So I would be against the move. Lijnema 22:15, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
- Even though it may have been used only once, it is nevertheless a "specification" that was once used and is therefore a good choice for a disambiguation suffix, because nothing new is 'invented' by Wikipedia. --88.66.35.154 19:51, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Videos and movies cleanup?
I don't really see the point of listing every single movie that's had music by Air in it. It doesn't really seem all that interesting. Is there anyone who objects to removing everything except music videos (and videos about Air (if there are any))? Those I really want to remove are 10 Things I Hate About You, Startup.com, and Lost in Translation. I'm not sure about The Architecture of Reassurance, because I don't know anything about it, I'll have to see what I can find about it, but unless it's about Air, or their music I'd like to remove it. I think The Virgin Suicides can be left in, because as far as I know, Air made all music for the movie. Thoughts? --Lijnema 11:22, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- Personally, I think it's useful and informative to list the movies that have featured Air's music, even if there are quite a few of them. I do agree that it takes up a good chunk of space. Perhaps there's a way it could be streamlined a little.Ministry of Silly Walks 01:51, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
- I agree with Ministry, and I especially think "Lost in Translation" should stay in, as the song was originally intended for the movie. The song is called "Alone in Kyoto", and it is used when she is alone...and in Kyoto.monkeygra 21:14, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Acronym
Is there a source for it anywhere? I did a quick google search, and there were a few pages mentioning it, but I couldn't find any pointing to a real source. --Lijnema 10:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- No one? Because without sourcing it would be better to revert all those capitalised AIRs into Airs. --Lijnema 01:17, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
- I don't have a source and don't know one way or the other, but I agree that it should be reverted if no source is produced. --PEJL 09:48, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
- just because you can't find an *definitive* internet source doesn't mean it isn't true. not every bit of information in existance is on the internet. while i haven't heard this first-hand, i did find this: http://www.airfrenchband.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=636&sid=17150a74a642c8dec8d2d71f19294760 there are a few posts in there. monkeygra 06:47, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
- Please read
Wikipedia:Citing sourcesWikipedia:Verifiabilityand also WP:EL#Links normally to be avoided. And Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. I have reverted for now but if you find proper sources for backing up your claim, I encourage you to re-insert the information. – sgeureka t•c 07:00, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
- Please read
- just because you can't find an *definitive* internet source doesn't mean it isn't true. not every bit of information in existance is on the internet. while i haven't heard this first-hand, i did find this: http://www.airfrenchband.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=636&sid=17150a74a642c8dec8d2d71f19294760 there are a few posts in there. monkeygra 06:47, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
- I don't have a source and don't know one way or the other, but I agree that it should be reverted if no source is produced. --PEJL 09:48, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
from the book "AIR de A à Z" by Jennifer Lesieur (which is in French and apparently hard to find): "Air. Il y a trois lettres dans ce mot : A pour Amour, I pour Imagination, R pour Rêve." Jean-Benoît Dunckel, l'un des deux cerveaux de Air, a bien résumé son oeuvre. ----- or roughly translated thanks to BabelFish: "Air. There are three letters in this word: A for Amour, I for Imagination, R for Rêve." Jean-Benoit Dunckel, one of the two brains of Air, summarized his work well. ---- this i found from the airfrenchband.org forums ---- as well, on almost all releases the band name is spelled in all capitals, so i think the page should be moved to AIR (band), but i don't want to piss people off.monkeygra 20:58, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
- How the name is capitalized on album covers is irrelevant, per WP:NC#Album titles and band names. What is relevant is whether the name is really an acronym or not. While the name may at one time have been an acronym, the question is if it is still being used as such. --PEJL 21:36, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
- i've personally always disagreed with the naming conventions of Wikipedia (and Discogs, too), but that's just me. anyway, while originally indended as an acronym as shown in the interview from "AIR de A à Z", it was never actually shown as such on their record packaging (as far as i know). I'm looking at the packaging of "Pocket Symphony" right now, and the band name is still printed in all capital letters (while the font used shows all big and small letters in the same style, the capitals are still noticeably taller than the rest). i've never seen any "official" release (original band release, not compilations that might not know better, etc.) that did NOT show the band name in all capitals. even their LateNightTales cover shows it in all capitals. monkeygra 21:57, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
- But as PEJL pointed out, how they use it doesn't really matter unless it's an acronym. But anyway, I went through my CDs to check how they've capitalised their name. It looks like up until Premiers Symptomes they were using all lowercase or mixed case (you can go to this astralweks page to see what I mean, scroll down to the bottom). In the sleeve of Premiers Symptomes the name is written as "Air" everywhere. In the sleeve of Moon Safari, it's "AIR". In The Virgin Suicides, they use a font with no lowercase (so I guess you can say it's "AIR"). In 10000Hz Legend they use "AIR". And finally in Talkie Walkie it's "Air". I don't have the City Reading at hand, and I don't have Pocket Symphony at all. All the text I've mentioned is the ones in the sleeve, or the back of the sleeve, where it says who wrote/produced/etc things. Personally, I think that "Amour, Imagination, Rêve" might have been how they came up with the name Air, and is not meant as an acronym, as you point out they don't mention Air being an acronym anywhere on their sleeves, or anywhere else for that matter. I do think that it would be good to mention "Amour, Imagination, Rêve" somewhere, that Godin and Duncel find that those words summarise the music or something (the quote seems to incidate that). And finally, thanks for looking around for sources, monkeygra, good job. --Lijnema 01:58, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
- to me, it seems that the capitalization of just the first letter would be because of someone at the label who wouldn't necessarily be in-the-know (especially american versions). anyway, what it is to me is something that seems very likely (the acronym deal) but none of us here know *for sure* how Dunckel and Godin intend for it to be used. i'm just thinking that it seems more likely that the band name (whether it is to be an acronym or not) is always intended to be in all-capitals. that's what i think. i'm not trying to sound like a jerk about it, or anything. monkeygra 03:56, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
- I think PEJL is correct, and that WIkipedia's policy is right, simply because graphic design is not spelling or capitalization. A band may choose to use graphic design on its covers that uses all lower-case, or all caps: that does not mean the name is spelled that way. Many bands vary such designs, and it's rare to find a band that definitely claims its name should be all lower-case or all caps. Even there, I find this an annoying tendency, similar to specifying that your name appear only in 24-point Helvetica bold. Proper nouns in English capitalize their first letter: that's the standard that should be used. Unless a name is an acronym or initialism, it should not be all caps (ex: R.E.M.). 2fs 14:29, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
- to me, it seems that the capitalization of just the first letter would be because of someone at the label who wouldn't necessarily be in-the-know (especially american versions). anyway, what it is to me is something that seems very likely (the acronym deal) but none of us here know *for sure* how Dunckel and Godin intend for it to be used. i'm just thinking that it seems more likely that the band name (whether it is to be an acronym or not) is always intended to be in all-capitals. that's what i think. i'm not trying to sound like a jerk about it, or anything. monkeygra 03:56, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
- But as PEJL pointed out, how they use it doesn't really matter unless it's an acronym. But anyway, I went through my CDs to check how they've capitalised their name. It looks like up until Premiers Symptomes they were using all lowercase or mixed case (you can go to this astralweks page to see what I mean, scroll down to the bottom). In the sleeve of Premiers Symptomes the name is written as "Air" everywhere. In the sleeve of Moon Safari, it's "AIR". In The Virgin Suicides, they use a font with no lowercase (so I guess you can say it's "AIR"). In 10000Hz Legend they use "AIR". And finally in Talkie Walkie it's "Air". I don't have the City Reading at hand, and I don't have Pocket Symphony at all. All the text I've mentioned is the ones in the sleeve, or the back of the sleeve, where it says who wrote/produced/etc things. Personally, I think that "Amour, Imagination, Rêve" might have been how they came up with the name Air, and is not meant as an acronym, as you point out they don't mention Air being an acronym anywhere on their sleeves, or anywhere else for that matter. I do think that it would be good to mention "Amour, Imagination, Rêve" somewhere, that Godin and Duncel find that those words summarise the music or something (the quote seems to incidate that). And finally, thanks for looking around for sources, monkeygra, good job. --Lijnema 01:58, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
- i've personally always disagreed with the naming conventions of Wikipedia (and Discogs, too), but that's just me. anyway, while originally indended as an acronym as shown in the interview from "AIR de A à Z", it was never actually shown as such on their record packaging (as far as i know). I'm looking at the packaging of "Pocket Symphony" right now, and the band name is still printed in all capital letters (while the font used shows all big and small letters in the same style, the capitals are still noticeably taller than the rest). i've never seen any "official" release (original band release, not compilations that might not know better, etc.) that did NOT show the band name in all capitals. even their LateNightTales cover shows it in all capitals. monkeygra 21:57, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Air is *not* an acronym. I had the chance to interview Nicolas Godin and asked him this very question; his answer is that the acronym was invented after the fact. See http://www.ravemagazine.com.au/content/view/8209/30/ 121.45.204.74 (talk) 05:27, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
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