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Contents 1 Aikido Schools of Ueshiba 2 Major aikido styles 3 Alain Peyrache 4 Shin Budo Kai

[edit] Aikido Schools of Ueshiba

I'm not sufficiently versed in all the politics and history to feel comfortable making this change, but I'd think that Aikido Schools of Ueshiba, founded by Mitsugi Saotome (http://www.asu.org/) would be at least worth mentioning. On the East Coast of the United States, I'd say that it was the second most widespread style, and it certainly has more dojos than Seidokan Aikido. Kishomuru Ueshiba came to the ASU cherry blossom festival in 2003 (+/- 1), and I know that in ASU they saw it as a recognition of ASU as a legitimate style of Aikido. Opherdonchin 07:33, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I certainly hope Kisshōmaru Sensei didn't attend a festival in 2003, since he died in 1999. I assume you mean his son, Moriteru (current Doshu). Djiann 23:28, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

As far as I know ASU is not an independant style and is still strongly affiliated with the Aikikai. Maybe mention something in Aikikai text (short please)?Wwilson 1 14:13, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

This brings up a good point... ASU can probably be legitimately considered a unique style in spite of the fact that they fall under the Aikikai umbrella. We'll wanna be careful to distinguish style from political affiliation. The premise of this page is somewhat troubling to me... the division into major and minor seems somewhat arbitrary and perhaps influenced by editors' personal POV. I know I wouldn't appreciate being called "minor" if I were, say, from Seidokan. There are so many splinter groups within aikido, and the splinters fall along such complex stylistic and organizational boundaries, that to really do them all justice on a page like this seems difficult at best. Instructive and less controversial would be a "family tree" format, showing how some styles and orgs are derivative of others. Djiann 23:28, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

There is also the broader List of Aikido Organizations which is probably where the ASU best fits. The List of Aikido Styles page was originally an off-shoot of the main Aikido page when the Listy section was converted into Prose. What is major and minor was defined quite some time back and I think works well.Peter Rehse 13:33, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Major aikido styles

The template for major aikido styles IMHO is more confusing than relevant so I removed it from the article. There also is a discussion about the template in itself on Template talk:Major styles of aikido. // habj 11:50, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alain Peyrache

I´ve attended a couple of seminars with him while I was in Quebec. His Aikido is OK but is his organization independent of the Aikikai. I am not sure about that. I think that needs to be clarified.Peter Rehse 09:42, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

On reflection - I think that until an article is written about either Alain Peyrache or his organization then the entry should be removed. I do think that Alain is notable enough that he should have an entry under French Aikidoka.Peter Rehse 12:32, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Deleted until article on either the organization or founder is written. Otherwise it is not clear whether this is Aikikai or not.Peter Rehse 08:59, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

I think styles with no articles associated with it or their founder should not be here. If they are notable - then they should have an article.Peter Rehse 07:20, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shin Budo Kai

This is a cluster of four dojos - pretty hard pressed to call it a style. If every small independent grouping was listed here it would be a huge list. The article on Shin Budo Kai was deleted as being non-notable and a redirect was created. I am going to remove it again unless a good reason is given.Peter Rehse 17:29, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

While I missed this discussion entirely, I think there is a notability value here insofar as Imaizumi is one of the few remaining direct students of Ueshiba Sensei, and his focus has been on breath and footwork. Stylistic changes are a re-thinking of followthrough (through a kind of minimalism of action) and changes to specific foot placement in common Aikido movements which alters the Shin-Shin-Toitsu style enough to be distinct. It might be a small group, organizationally, but it's meaningful from a practice standpoint.

I guess a related question is - are other "dojo clusters" also around that were founded by students of O-Sensei, or have these all "grown up" into larger organizations? --Christian Edward Gruber (talk) 01:33, 14 February 2008 (UTC)