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They are not EMO! Remove it from the genre!
- Please consider that allmusic (generally the turn-to page for music on wikipedia) lists emo as one of the band's styles here, and the only editors in objection are anonymous single-purpose editors unhappy with the genre. We've debated in length in the past over the band's genre, and finally just cited a credible source that says "Aiden is this". Until a credible source is cited that says explicitly "Aiden is not emo," the genre will remain on the article. --EndlessVince 17:52, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] OK............
This is getting very aggravating. They have completely ditched their post-hardcore outfit. I believe they should be labeled as post-punk and horror punk. Horror punk should be their main genre NOT EMO. There's a difference.
Finally! Someone who agrees with me! RaikiriChidori 12:37, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Another thing to keep in mind: they are named after a character in the movie "The Ring". That just proves even more that they are horror punk. And they have kinda developed a post-punk sound to accompany it. Please listen to this.RaikiriChidori 12:28, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
on the bands myspace, they consider themselves: gothic, rock, and punk.--- A.7.x4ever
[edit] WHAT???
For God's sake, SOMEONE get 'Pop-Punk' off of the labels. How do Aiden compare in any way with blink-182, Green Day, MXPX, or Good Charlotte? Honestly. Emo? I could understand. Post-Hardcore? Sure. Hardcore, Post-Punk, Art Punk, they all fit in some way or other, but NOT Pop-Punk!
[edit] HORROR ROCK NOT SCREAMO/EMOCORE
The band themselves call themselves a horror rock band because they are heavily influenced by The Misfits, and their songs that are not Horror oriented are punk anthems. Plus, They do not suck, they know how to play, they are signed to a record label, and those who say they suck are jealous. Once again, THEY ARE HORROR ROCK. Alternative Press also acknowledges them as a Horror Rock band. There is a big reason too why they named themselves after the young boy from THE RING. 198.189.164.206 20:41, 3 May 2006 (UTC)CRC
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Is there any reason why someone has a problem with Aiden calling their music Horror Rock? Sounds like someone's just being annoying and not a person knowledgeable of the band cause if they were they'd know that Aiden call their music Horror Rock. So please stop editing it.
- A band cannot define their genre, they are biased. The concensus of the majority of people define genre. Gopherbassist 03:27, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Horror Rock is probably the best way to describe them, in my opinion. Check out "hour of the wolf", a similar sounding band who is firmly in "horror rock" subgenre if there is any question.
Definitely not punk! please change--83.217.170.161 18:24, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
The genre should be listed as post-punk. They're definitly not punk and they can't define their own genre.
[edit] What's wrong with emo
Why are so many people are like no, they are not emo! Now by the sounds of their lyrics they could be emo and to be honest whats wrong with being emo. Ok, a lot of people hate emos, but a lot of people hate gangsta rap, but you don't hear rappers going no, we not gangsta rap, we are something else and make up some random thing like you guys have done with 'horror rock'. What is that!
[edit] POV and Durogatory
"pop punk attitudes with mall goth aesthetics" is someones POV and very durogatory. What would you think today if The Misfits were to be a new band TODAY? Would you call them MALL GOTH? I think this is wrong and needs serious editing. This band is trying to show a stage presence of Horror Rock. Much like as if TSOL were to walk out on stage in Skeleton Coveralls (WHICH THEY DO!). 198.189.164.206 20:49, 3 May 2006 (UTC)CRC
Mall goth/kindergoth asethetics seems like an acurate descrpition, the members of the band fit the cliche of what is described as "mall goth".
To compare a pop punk band to the Misfits and TSOL is a little silly. The group's music has nothing in common with other Horror Punk bands. - Deathrocker 11:38, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] originallity
Regardless of how similar their sound is to any other band, they are still one of the best live shows I have seen. I rank them right up there with M.S.I., Dope, Korn, and the countless other great shows I have seen. (Those just happen to be the three I think most other people recognize as being good live acts) They have many unique things they do, swinging the mic around is nothing new but you dont see it all to often and the lead singer seems to have mastered it. They are also one of the few bands that I have seen where they weren't afraid to interact with the crowd, the lead singer crawled out onto the crowd and held the mic for crowd members to sing. (I have seen the Deftones do this as well) They had lots of control over the crowd as well, starting a circle pit and having it reverse directions and at one point have the crowd seperate into two halves and charge each other. They finished the show up with having the crowd buddy up with their friends and sing, something the lead singer said was a tradition at their shows. If anyone truely believes that they are copycat band and have no orginality in them, well maybe you should drop by a show and see from the other sides point of view.
~Joe
i dont think that Wil sounds anything like Davey Havok, i personally think that davey can sing a lot better. But i dont totally like hate Aiden. I do think that Aiden is trying to be too much like mor popular bands, MCR,AFI, ect... They r a good band though, like their songs are really good lyrically. their image though kinda reminds me of Good Charolett. but yeah they r a good band they just are lacking originallity. i think that if they try less to be like other bands they would be a lot better off.
i think adien has there own style and maybe he has a few role modles like davey and thinks he is cool so you all need to lay off and stop with the 2 year old critisism and just SHUT UP for once and really look at there music maybe you don't like them for there music but you don't know who they are and don't wast you time writing crap that nobody cares about and there not mall goth do see them in big ugly pants the sise of your fat mom so once agien just SHUT UP and stay of this site!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- kalie frisky*
That isn't the point here. The point is that they do sound rather similar to AFI and The Misfits. Whether they chose to do this or not doesn't matter. Sure it's a little mis-placed but it doesn't bash them, in fact it makes them look better because of the Kerrang! comment.
SpitefulxCheerio 00:35, 6 March 2007 (UTC)Chris
I love both Aiden and AFI and I honestly can't see the simialrities... I'm going to be honest and say that I do think of Davey as the better singer but the fact that wiL can sound half rate and still get away with it only makes me respect him more. I don't really think that's there's anyone in that scene who doesn't sound similar to The Misfits, they influence a huge number of bands and to be honest own the genre entirely (It's my opinion, please don't criticise... and if you must, do it nicely... please!!). But as for them looking like Good Charlotte I think you need to got contacts or something coz that is one thing I cannot see and will not concede to... Pumpkins
[edit] Facts
The fact is that punk (in any form) has been mainstream since the 80's. It's not a debate. There is no such thing as underground. There is no such thing as originality. Aiden is a band who has played shows, and made albums. Those are the facts, and that's all wikipedia is for. Your judgment is not important. Influencing the reader's opinion is not the point. It is not a review. It's a wikipedia entry. --Zach Hammond 22:52, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
- calm down dear, its only a wiki*
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- A pretty poor one, honestly all this article needs to say is that they're a band from yada yada, that plays so and so music, has put out so and so albums, has toured with yada yada. Almost everything else doesn't belong here. that's all I'm saying. But on the other hand, I don't care about this band, so I don't care about the article.--Zach Hammond 21:31, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] MUSTARD
Okay so, I think I cleared up the NPOV issue. As far as the Trivia goes, I'd feel comfortable deleting all of it, and down the road adding the relevant pieces to an article on Die Romantic, or music videos, or something. Discussion? --EndlessVince 21:43, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Debate
Please stop the "Horror Rock" edit war. Okay, so the band may or may not be horror rock. Without actually investigating and offering my thoughts on Aiden's being Horror Rock or not, I'll give my two cents. The Beatles could have said they were gangsta rap, but that wouldn't make them gangsta rap. The band can say whatever it wants, but if the music doesn't fit the wikipedia definition of the genre, then the band shouldn't be stated as such. Or maybe we could be a little more neutral, and say that the band labels themselves as horror Rock, but actually yada yada yada. Whatever. Just quit it.--EndlessVince 04:50, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
I have been the 1 putting that Aiden are Horror Rock. Why? Go on Aiden's official website, Aiden.org. It states that the band call their music Horror Rock. So why is it being deleted when it is a fact? Regardless of whether or not someone thinks it's Horror Rock or not the fact is the band calls their music Horror Rock and that's a fact.
- It matters less what Aiden says their music is, and more whether or not the wikipedia definition of Horror Rock applies. If it does, grand. Does it?
- Also, Please stop changing it until this is resolved. Thank you. --EndlessVince 16:26, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Ok so maybe you have a case for the genre thing...but Aiden calling themselves Horror Rock is true so it should not be deleted, regardless or whether you think they're wrong or not.
- I think the current revision is a fair compromise, as long as the phrase Horror Rock doesn't link to the the wikipedia article on Horror Rock. It appears the band's definition of the genre strays far enough away, that Aiden's article shouldn't refer to the article on Horror Rock. --EndlessVince 01:47, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
- I don't care if they call themselves Bubblegum Black Metal.. doesn't mean they play that style of music or that its even worth a mention. The bands most common shared influenced are that of MCR, A7X and Atreyu, the music they create is similar to those, NOT the description of horror rock.
- Just because one of the members bought some Nu-Mi$fits merchandise from Hot Topic doesn't mean the band have anything in common with them musically. Have you heard their music? Seen their videos? Not horror rock at all. - Deathrocker 05:38, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- While I agree that the band's music isn't Horror Rock, it's of encyclopedic value to note that the band calls themselves horror rock, although their interpretation of the genre does not correspond with the most accepted definitions of horror rock. Everything in italics could actually be used in the article verbatim and satisfy all parties in a neutral fashion. --EndlessVince 20:58, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Aiden's music is very unique and although you can say it sounds like A7X...A7X are metal and Aiden is punk without a doubt. Atreyu use a lot of just straight-up screaming in their music whilst Aiden's is more melodic and is mostly singing. Can we at least have that the band call their music horror rock? I mean as far as I'm concerned, Aiden don't sound like Green Day or Blink-182, 2 of the most famous pop-punk bands so why are they allowed to be listed as pop-punk?
- There is nothing unique about this band or their music at all, they are very much part of the 10 a penny nu-emo trend, with From First To Last, My Chemical Romance, etc. Read the article on punk rock, this band is very, very far from that style of music. They are also very far from the likes of the Misfits, Calabrese and Balzac, they are most certainly not a part of the horror punk or horror rock movement. It just seems like an attempt by the band and fans to suddenly try and distance themselves from this "21st century emo" tag, as it is on its way out.
- It says alot that the band's common influences are Atreyu, A7X, and MCR. - Deathrocker 09:24, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
- To clear things up on my position, I don't care about this band at all. In fact, all the dispute surrounded by this band has made me hate them. I don't have any interest in ever listening to them. I got involved with the article, however, because I care about Pacific Northwest bands in general. The first thing I did to this page was to categorize it as a Washington musical group, but now I'm just trying to make it into an acceptable wikipedia article. As it stands, it is not. --EndlessVince 01:04, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Honestly, I don't think Aiden sound like MCR or FFTL, or Taking Back Sunday or any of the other so-called 'emo' bands. Aiden are heavier, they portray a strong horror image and their music is just quite different from them basically. Anyways, I guess I'll settle for what's on the page now but they are definitely a punk band...maybe you misinterpreted what I said as meaning that they were a 70's-style punk rock band which they obviously aren't, I mean that they are definitely somewhere under the huge genre of punk, whereas A7X are heavy metal...for a punk band, Aiden are quite heavy and if you do say their influences are A7X, MCR and Atreyu, well it's obvious that they are not easy to classify. So, that is why it should be noted that they call their music horror rock instead of misleading people with Post-Hardcore, Pop-Punk or even emo, I believe someone put which is quite lame since no one seems to know what emo is anymore and just lump Aiden together with the other so-called 'emo' bands.
I think I've shown above, logically how the band do not play horror rock or have any connections to that scene at all, they are very much part of the nu-emo/pop Warped Tour movement. Regardless of the fact that Wikipedia is not an experiment in democracy the only other person who has heard their music that seems to think they fall under this classification, seems to have a lack of knowledge on genre terminology as it is, exemplified by comments such as "Aiden are punk rock". - Deathrocker 17:26, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
- You can say in the article that the band's classification of horror rock is disputed. It is. But you've got to be neutral about it. What is your objection to the way that piece of the article was worded before you changed it back? As it is worded now it is POV. If that would be a more appropriate thing to get a consensus of, we can do that in a new survey.
I hope you wasn't referring to me, Deathrocker, as I did not say Aiden were punk rock...they definitely fall under the genre of punk rock though and no on can dispute that. Whether they're pop-punk, post-hardcore, they're some sort of punk band. Also, Anti-Flag and and NOFX are on the Warped Tour and you're saying that they're 'nu-emo/pop'? They are punk rock.
- Anti-Flag are a hardcore band, and NOFX are skate punk... neither of which are punk rock. Also please try to sign posts with four tides, it makes it easier for people to follow who said what.
- Take a look at the horror rock article, bands in that genre of music take musical influences from doo-wop and 50s/60s rock n' roll. Aiden however, take musical influence from current metalcore and post-hardcore bands, they clearly don't play the horror rock form of music. To have their genre as "horror rock" because the band have suddenly decided they want to distance themselves from bands that they play the same kind of music as ("21st century emo"), would be unencyclopediac addition and factually incorrect. It would be the equivelent of somebody trying to get the Marilyn Manson article changed to "gothic rock" regardless of the fact that his music doesn't have the characterists of that classification. - Deathrocker 19:16, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Skate Punk...well, anyone who's Skate Punk can also be classified as Punk Rock and NOFX are a punk rock/skate punk band. Anti-Flag, hardcore? Possibly...but also punk rock as some of their stuff does not sound like other hardcore music I've heard. Aiden are not emo...c'mon, they are slightly emotional hardcore punk, to use its full name (so as to distance itself from so-called 'nu-emo' like Taking Back Sunday or whatever). Aiden's music is really hard to classify but that doesn't automatically make it nu-emo...the Warped Tour has punk rock bands on...Hardcore falls under the genre of Punk Rock, Pop-Punk falls under the genre of Punk Rock, Emo falls under the genre of Punk Rock, Horror Rock/Punk falls under the genre of Punk Rock. Aiden are not emo cause they're on there...you can call 'em Horror Rock, Emocore, Pop-Punk, Post-Hardcore because they take bits and bobs from each of those styles but c'mon...nu-emo? Give me a break, Aiden are nothing like them...going back to that thing about being influenced by A7X...A7X are metal so that pretty much proves that Aiden shouldn't be just lumped together with the other '21st century emo' bands...
Hardcore is the same as hardcore punk which is punk. and post-hardcore is an offshoot of hardcore. and the other two offshoots of hardcore punk are screamo and emo. so either way, we're talking punk here. punks a huge genre, they're punk. we're just trying to debate what type of punk, if everyone's acknowledged that emo, post hardcore, and hardcore ARE punk (check the wiki articles if you don't believe me: Post-hardcore Hardcore Punk Emo Screamo) and that therefore aiden ARE punk, we can move on. I think that if we were going to pin Aiden's genre down to a specific style, then we already would have. I think that Post-hardcore, Hardcore, Pop-punk and Emo should be listed, and add somehwere on the page that Aiden consider themselves horror rock although they do not fit many of the genres main criterias and it may be a bid to distance themselves from the "emo" tag and at the biegin ning of th article we should just change it to "Aiden is a rock band from Seattle, Washington". And yeah, I do agree with the point that that Marilyn Manson shouldn't be Goth just because they dress as Goths, although Mansonites are now a recognised type of Goth... --Gpmuscillo 11:53, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Why don't we just put both to satisfy all? SpitefulxCheerio 00:40, 6 March 2007 (UTC)Chris
[edit] pop-punk
can someone explain to me why this band was genrefied as "pop-punk"?
Yeah, how did pop-punk come up? That's just weird... -Shinobi101
they're definetely not pop punk i'd put them in more of the emorock or gothrock category they are not at all pop and not at all punk
i'd say they're emo. they have all of the characteristics of it...
you going to explain more?
[edit] Citations
I've added citations to back up claims made on the article. I've also deleted claims for which I couldn't find any references (and I don't foresee a citation). For example, there was a claim that they were signed to Victory Records because of their association with Silverstein. I found nothing anywhere to back this up, although I did find this: 2004 was a very busy and exciting year for Aiden. They managed to play over a hundred shows, put out their debut full length, make two music videos, and catch the attention of Victory Records. The article's claim that "Die Romantic" promotes bulimia and suicide found very few results on google, and most of those were on message boards. Also, the claim about Francis's broken finger can only be found on blogs. While it may be true, a reference is required. If you find one, replace the removed claim.--EndlessVince 04:50, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure the thing about him breaking his finger was in Kerrang! ages ago where they were talking about the warped museum... the mic he broke it on was included and he was swearing at it or something... And as for Die Romantic promoting bulimia and suicide that is only really one interpretation because the first time I ever watched the video that isn't at all what I thought. Pumpkins
[edit] Mallgoth
The article on Mallgoth has been deleted. It now redirects to Mansonite. There's no reference anywhere for Aiden being mansonites. A google search for mallcore Aiden finds no references of any value. Most of what google finds reads something like "fuck their hot topic mallcore goth bullshit," which has no place. Moreover, the wikipedia article on mallcore does not cite its references and is poorly written. For now, I'm deleting the mallcore/mallgoth claim. Before changing it back, please discuss it here. --EndlessVince 19:32, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Mallgoth/mallcore "culture" and Mansonite culture are somewhat related; if it was meant as just Mansonite instead of mallcore/mallgoth then it would have said that, but that isn't what the detractors of the band have stated. As a fan of course you'd like to cover up one of the main criticisms of the band, but please understand this isn't a fan profile, its an encyclopedia and in the context of the criticism section (as well as NPOV) it is in the correct place.
- First, I need to restate that I've never listened to the band, nor will I ever be a fan. But this article isn't going anywhere and it's needed some work since I stumbled on to it while cleaning up Washington music articles. I understand what mallgoth/mallcore/mansonite "culture" is. I'm not covering up the main criticism of the band. The criticism in the article is only NPOV and appropriate if it's cited, which I tried to do but couldn't find any places to cite that support your claim of detractors' criticism. The articles on all three said criticisms are very poor articles to mention in the article anyway. Please cite a credible source that says Aiden is mallcore, and I'll let the issue rest. I'm also posting this on Deathrocker's talk page to request a reply (as he, in my experience, tends to be somewhat noncommunicative).--EndlessVince 20:14, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Biggest Songs
A list of top songs is very welcome, if it's cited and verifiable by referencing lists such as a Billboard Top 100 list. Also, "Fan Favorite" mentions can get dangerous, as eventually all their songs might be listed as favorites. It's best to stick to the facts by citing a source. --EndlessVince 04:50, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Picture
In order to improve this article, we definitely need a picture. Can anyone find a decent picture of Aiden? DeeJayJayJay 20:52, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
how about these http://mhuntting.photosite.com/~photos/tn/595_1024.ts1098762205109.jpg http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/AQUA/PS195~Aiden-Posters.jpg http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/dayart/bands/aiden.jpg http://a437.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/40/l_898792b5cab0f0e646b40ad5110d4b34.jpg
i made that one http://victoryhardcore.com/aiden/magcovers/ME0407CVR1-p1.jpg —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.69.85.3 (talk • contribs).
[edit] Drew likes balls?
whoever wrote "DREW LIKES BALLS", please dont do it anymore. thats what your userpage is for. --Buf Sabres Fan 02:16, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
This message is to the idiot who wrote the article. Aiden write about death beacause the wil's (the singer) mate commited sucide(according to kerrang). You can't say that trivium are better than aiden. Trivium USED to be my favourite band before i got fed up about matt heafy goin on about how amazing they are and how he F**Ks all the groupies(no one cares). Thier new album (the crusade) isn't even that good.
True dat.
You CAN'T SAY THAT AIDEN IS BETTER THAN TRIVIUM, they have better guitarrists, better bass, better drummer, and their new album does not suck, is different. YOU SUCK.
People can say whatever they want, dammit, it's an opinion and they're entitled to it. Pumpkins
In my OPINION,Aiden is better than Trivium. [OnElOveInYouREyesNowLoOkAfrAid] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.59.106.138 (talk) 16:04, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Criticisms
I deleted much of the criticisms paragraph because it was personal opinion turned into "some say", which violates WP:WEASEL. In addition, saying that Aiden got bottled does not describe criticism, it describes hooliganism.--Wehwalt 12:46, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Did WiL's mate commit suicide? [OnElOveinYouREyesNoWLooKAfrAid] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.59.106.29 (talk) 00:02, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Hair Loss & Tooth Decay?
come on now.
[edit] i was wondering
On the taste of chaos bert invited wiL to come do a show with him and during that show wiL brought a rose for bert and then they kissed,maybe it means something maybe it dosent which i doubt thart there is anything going between those two but a couple of my friends say they were so i need info...now! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.171.147.241 (talk) 03:26, 7 April 2007 (UTC).
Means nothing. They did that throughout the tour. And this page is to discuss improvements to the article.--Wehwalt 13:30, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] HEY!!!
Hey, how's about either unlinking each of the names to the same G-damn article, or createe NEW ARTICLES ON THEM!!!! JustN5:12 19:03, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Third Opinion on Criticism
- For everyone's edification, I requested feedback from others on the Criticism section, which I tend to delete, in full or part. Krator's response relates to that.--Wehwalt 19:39, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I am not sure where to write my third opinion, so I just made a new section.
Long paragraphs should be here on attribution, no original research, and NPOV, but WP:BULLSHIT just covers everything I want to say, so I just link there.
--User:Krator (t c) 19:35, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] New Page
I'd like to start a new page, Does anyone know how to do this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jhudoon (talk • contribs) 16:42, 15 April 2007 (UTC).
Er, see Help:Starting a New Page.--Wehwalt 16:48, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Requests for Comment: Critisicm section
As a response to the request for comment over the inclusion or exclusion of this, I would say to leave it out. It is unreferenced, and quite trivial. -- Reaper X 03:44, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
- It's been added again. So until there's a proper majority of whether or not it stays, I'm deleting it from the page. It appears to be original research and has no citations, even though I'm not keen on this band myself. OldSongsNewStereo 12:04, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
- Here via RfC. I would disagree with the assertion that a criticism section is trivial, but there are no references and the section appears to be original research. Delete until some valid sources are found. Orphic 08:41, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
I vote to include it--Slogankid 17:16, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
It needs to stay out unless you put in some citations. WP:V, WP:RS, WP:OR, WP:TRIV.--Wehwalt 18:33, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] wiL/Wil
It's been bugging me for a while. How can the lead singer have the right to change the English language? Proper noun requires a capital letter or i'm oLDsONGSnEWsTEREO! OldSongsNewStereo 19:44, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
I don't know. Ask e.e. cummings or blink-182.--Wehwalt 20:54, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Well, it's your right to think that's annoying, I don't claim you anyway, but it's also his right to spell it that way. I don't support the idea that he change the English language, I think it's just his name, not that all the English language. Evy psyche 11:16, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
124.168.151.105 (talk) 04:32, 22 November 2007 (UTC) ilove Aiden,.!!! hehehe... 124.168.151.105 (talk) 04:32, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] R.I.P John Beatz
I forgot...what happened to John Beatz... Didn't wiL watch him overdose or sumthing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.59.106.29 (talk) 23:54, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Not too informed myself but I read that while John was riding a bus the bus hit a patch of black ice and flipped. Beatz died from the injuries. Hope that helps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.7.151.125 (talk) 15:40, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] wiLs' Hereoin addiction.
Is it just me, or on new songs, such as, One Love and Teenage Girl, Can anybody else tell the change in WiLs' voice. [OnElOVeinYourEyeSNowLoOKAfrAId] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.59.106.29 (talk) 23:58, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] YOU GUYS ROCK!!
Hey Dude, My name is Elliott Pinkston Perrier Of Ireland Im from vicksburg, Ms. And im just wondering if yah'll are going to come down here but i notice that there isnt enough time since yah'll have time to change the schedule of yah'lls calender i know about Vans Warped Tour 2007 you dont look the same wil whatever happen im glad you look good this time but im so confuse but know i undertand and the reason i want to talk to you is that i want you and your band to come down to mississippi and play some music, because we have nothing to do down here and i want to have some fun and your band is the only band that i like,because it hit my heart and i got the goosebumps snuck right out of me and that a good sign when i listen to korn or disturb i didnt get nothing except some good song out ther money and that all. Please come down and say hello to mississippi and come say hello to meif you come but you and your band are rocky the corps out of the ground. see yah'll
Elliott Perrier 601-831-3388 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.3.5.129 (talk) 21:37, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] no, they're gay
they're not emo, or horror rock.
THEY'RE GAY. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Invictus9015 (talk • contribs) 12:00, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
