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I started this article in June 2005. This followed a visit I made to the site of the AHS Centaur memorial, during which I photographed the site in general and memorial plaques in particular. The article was begun by transferring some of these details to the article. - Peter Ellis - Talk 03:21, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Featured or Good Article Status

Why has this not been submitted for GA or FA status (or at least another peer review to get it there). It's very good and would be a good FA candidate in the near future. JRG 10:23, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

• Because A class beats GA, and it will be nominated for Featured Article as soon as it goes through the peer review wringer one or two more times. -- saberwyn 10:40, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Centaur in breach

One of the theories we discuss is that Centaur may have been in breach of the convention. If this were the case, would it still have been a war crime to attack it? If not, this sentence needs to be reworked.

Although Centaur's sinking was a war crime, Nakagawa was not tried for sinking a hospital ship as, despite a series of investigations between 1944 and 1948, the Allies were unable to establish beyond reasonable doubt which submarine had been responsible for the attack.[13]

Something like "Although Centaur's sinking may have been a..." is probably sufficient Nil Einne 14:30, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

As a hospital ship, the attack was a breach of the tenth section of the Hague Convention of 1907, and as such was a war crime

Above section would needed to be reworked as well if it's not definite it's a war crime Nil Einne 14:45, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

The texts I've read show that the "in breach" theory was entirely home-grown, and that the Japanese never said anythong related to the possibility of Centaur being a legitimate target, instead systematically denying that the event ever happened until the War History Series text was published. From the point of view of the Allied military and politicians, the vast majority of the general public, and those investigating the event between 44 and 48. The bulk of the possibilities for this theory were made/implied/created well after the war.

As far as my personal interpretation goes based on what I have read, attacking a hospital ship is a war crime until it can be conclusively be proven that the vessel was intentionally in breach of the Hague Convention. However, if you feel it needs to be reworked, feel free. -- saberwyn 22:08, 7 June 2007 (UTC)