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[edit] POV

Thrust of article seems to be blasting the Turks as much as it is about the ostensible subject. Rodney Boyd 02:42, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

You might want to read some books/articles about the Turkish government. I'm sure it will become clear that it is an totalitarian army who's putting restriction to the minorities and the entire Kurdish art world. Ibrahim Tatlises and Mahsun Kirmizigul are both Kurdish who everyone who followed will agree that they manipulated Kurdish people's torments and by further self-promoting themselves. The neutrality of this article should not be disputed because everything written in the article is absolute true. Ozgur Gerilla 01:05, 15April 2006

Hi Ozgur, I questioned the neutrality of the page for the following reasons: it does not discuss other points of view, when the topic is a controversial one; it uses immoderate language; the article is supposed to be about a poet but the majority of the article is used to make political points (if he's significant, let's hear more about him!); there are other places in Wikipedia where Turkish-Kurdish relations can be addressed (if they seem insufficient to you, you can of course create a new article—but it should follow NPOV guidelines). Regards, Rodney Boyd 18:39, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Rodney, I am not the user who added the second paragraph (this is the paragraph which contains politics) to the article and I do agree with you but I think the paragraph is correct and should still stay on. I will try to add more about his poetry and music. Ozgur Gerilla 21:05, 15 April 2006

  • Ozgur are you Kurdish? How can you defend Ahmet Kaya against the Turkish Parliment! Ahmet Kaya had an active position in the terorist organization, PKK. Look, he is not even from us. Deliogul 20:19, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Deliogul, Yes I am Kurdish. What do you mean by us? And do you wanna know what I think about the Turkish parliment? Well, why don't you give me your email so I can email you it because it's inappropriate context here. Ozgur Gerilla 23:26, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
I am talking about the world order. It must be easy. French, German, Indian, Turkish, Kurdish... They are all different and also they don't have to love or respect eachother. In my opinion a German can't say anything about Turkey, Turkish Army or about the Turkish Parliment. As far as there is no difference between being a Canadian, German or Kurdish, you can't talk about my country because Turkey is our country not yours. Deliogul 17:03, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Gentlemen, can we stick to the subject of Ahmet Kaya in this space? If you want to talk politics, I think Ozgur's suggestion of taking it offline is a good one. Regards, Rodney Boyd 18:41, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I gave my answer and I won't be discussing this thing again. Just like you, Rodney, I don't want to talk about such things. I had to give answer to him because he said bad things about my country, thats all. Deliogul 19:25, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
No comment, except to say that now all three of us apparently agree that this is not the place to discuss politics. Regards, Rodney Boyd 20:17, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Possible Improvements

  • A better picture of him
  • More Descriptive writing about his poetry and music


Maybe a mention of the number of people killed by him would be a great improvement?

Anonymous User, Please expand on this. Rodney Boyd 04:13, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Also, please do not give your opinion provide evidence. Ozgur Gerilla 11:25, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

Could someone please insert his picture. Ozgur Gerilla 23:40, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

The previous one came from the Kurdish Wikipedia but did not have any licencing information, so it was removed. We need one that is in public domain or qualifies for fair use. Perhaps there is a suitable one on the official site–someone who reads Turkish would be in a better position to evaluate this. Rodney Boyd 01:30, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
OK, ill sort it out now. Ozgur Gerilla 23:30, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
This is the image of him can someone insert it to the article? Ozgur Gerilla 20:38, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
OK, I've just inserted it. Ozgur Gerilla 20:38, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] His Ethnicity

He's a Kurd from Malatya. The reason for his exile is because he wanted to produce songs and videos in Kurdish. Isn't this why those Turkish singers attacked him on the ceremony night. Oh please, and you edit him as a Turk. It's beyond belief. Ozgur Gerilla 16:19, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Citation request

Ozgur, are you requesting a citation asserting that Kaya was accused of doing certain things, or that he actually did them? The article says only that he was accused and convicted, it doesn't express an opinion on what he actually did or didn't do. Rodney Boyd 19:20, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Rodney, I've just removed the citation because I found a video showing his support to the PKK in one of his concerts. I put the citation because I thought it was an attack towards him because he said he was going to do songs in Kurdish and he was obviously attacked in Turkey. For this reason people like to link his name with the PKK. Here is the external link of him singing "We're Kurds, until we die" in a PKK concert [1].

[edit] Why not saying that he also was a Turkish artist?

Why are you scare to admit that he was a Turkish artist also? He started his career as a Turkish singer wat before you were born I spoke to him about this kind of stuff. At the begining he was not even a socialist or even a leftist. He was a mafia want to be and was in jail for 6 months of weapon possecion. He was arm to arm with mafia.Way after that when he became a kwon artist he started talking about Kurdish stuff. I don't think he was a honest man. Even though I am a big fan. All the best

[edit] About ahmet kaya

i think there is no doubt about what a beatiful music Ahmet Kaya produced.As a leading musician ,he blended a western music style and anatolian music patterns.

it is not easy to compose maserpiece,such musicians are not easy to come off.He delivered peace message in his songs.no matte you are kurdish or turkish.he defended human rights, like john lennon one of the greatest artist.he has composed songs as much beatiful as "imagine all the people".

when discussing i think we should be very careful since we are all brothers no matter what nations we belonge. the world has already been polluted.we should not tell bad things about artists who promote brotherhood of mankind.

[edit] Name

He's name is Ahmet Kaya. He does not have any other names; including Ehmed Kaya. Kaygtr 16:29, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

We, the Kurds, refer to him as Edmed Kaya. I think that is a good enough reason to put the Kurdish name to the article. Ozgur Gerilla 15:06, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Album articles

I think we should create album articles. I ll be creating some tomorrow, if I don t forget DenizTC 03:05, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi,

It says that his mother is turkish, but I see no refence attched and I could not confirm this based on my own research. Can it be please taken out? As far as is general consensus Ahmat Kaya is Kurdish and there are many refences to confirm this. Sometimes I feel that Turkish nationalists try to put things into Kurdish articles at whatevr level they can. This should not be accpetable in wikipedia unless these points can be referenced and double checked with genral agreements.

Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.9.45.41 (talk) 00:10, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi,

It says that his mother is turkish, but I see no refence attched and I could not confirm this based on my own research. Can it be please taken out? As far as is general consensus Ahmet Kaya is Kurdish and there are many refences to confirm this. Sometimes I feel that Turkish nationalists try to put things into Kurdish articles at whatever level they can. This should not be acceptable in wikipedia unless these points can be referenced and double checked with general agreements.

Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.9.45.41 (talk) 00:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)