Talk:Agnes of France (Byzantine empress)

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Where has this come from? Did someone do all this in one edit? Has it been copied from another Wikipedia article? --Silversmith 14:21, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

I wrote this text myself based on information generally available. I decided not to save it before its completion, thus the single edit. No it is not copied but Agness and her life have been mentioned in several Wikipedia articles. I decided a central article on her might proove useful. User:Dimadick

I've just discovered that the new (21 May 2006) expanded version of Agnes of France (on which I had begun a little editing to damp down the wilder flights of fancy and indicate alternative interpretations, and User:Dimadick has also been working) is actually lifted wholesale from the signed and copyrighted page at [1]. I wish the anonymous contributor, or cut-and-paster, had admitted this ... I propose now to try to revert the article to an unplagiarised state, while not losing the work we have put into it. Andrew Dalby 14:15, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Apologies, Dimadick, for missing the fact that you had written the paragraph on andronikos's relationships. Andrew Dalby 20:57, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

This is a rather bombastic title...is there something shorter we can use? Why not just "Agnes of France (Byzantine empress)"? Adam Bishop 21:25, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

By all means. I just used the designations that appeared in the earlier Agnes of France article. I agree it's unnecessarily long. Change it if you like. Andrew Dalby 22:11, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Citations wanted

A couple of facts were marked 'citation needed'. Since both of these were really relevant to other people rather than to Agnes, I have added new citations at Alexios II Komnenos, and supplied cross-references in the footnotes here to that article and to Maria of Antioch. OK? Andrew Dalby 16:12, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A question

Since Agnes was supposed to marry the Bizantine emperor so French-Bizantine relations would improve, have French-Bizantine relations gone bad when her husband was deposed, tortured and killed? A.Z. 04:37, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

It's a very good question. Her brother, Philip II of France, was king during the period when her betrothed (or first husband) Alexios II Komnenos was killed, and when old Andronikos I Komnenos married her instead, and when Andronikos himself was (as you say) deposed, tortured and killed. So far as I can discover, and strange as it may seem, there was no official French reaction to any of these events (although they were widely reported). Later, when Philip sailed east on the Third Crusade, no communication between him and his sister is recorded. Andrew Dalby 12:27, 24 July 2006 (UTC)