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[edit] Hello!

Talk to me - don't be afraid to let me know what you think of my contributions and/or additions and corrections. 20:01, 30 March 2008 (UTC)20:01, 30 March 2008 (UTC)20:01, 30 March 2008 (UTC)20:01, 30 March 2008 (UTC)20:01, 30 March 2008 (UTC)20:01, 30 March 2008 (UTC)20:01, 30 March 2008 (UTC)20:01, 30 March 2008 (UTC)~~

[edit] Very good edit!

I read your edit on the Good News Translation article. Thanks for the really insightful edit! I didn't know Graham and oths used the GNT in crusades until the 80's. When I went to the 1995 Franklin Graham crusade in Wilmington, North Carolina, the NIV was used. -- iHoshie 12:05, 11 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments, Hoshie - much appreciated as it's my first contribution. On thinking about it, I'm going to change 'eighties' to 'early eighties'. I believe the same was probably true of the Billy Graham Mission England crusade in 1984. Agendum 00:05, 12 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Welcome. Nice to know you. Deb 18:52, 14 Jan 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Peel towers

Hi, welcome to Wikipedia. I was trying to figure out what you were aiming to do with Peel towers and Peel tower. They were both the same. I've redirected Peel tower to Peel towers now. Is that you wanted? Or should it be the other way round? Angela. 00:11, Jan 28, 2004 (UTC)~

Thanks, Angela.

Peel tower was a mistake - it should be Peel towers. I was truying to redirect from Pele tower (incorrect - or less-used - spelling). Thanks for your help. Agendum 00:53, 28 Jan 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Clan map

Thanks. If you have any suggestions or corrections, let me know. It was not an easy map to do and I am not entirely happy with the result. At some stage, I intend to do another version that is a bit less wasteful of space so that I can zoom in a little. I was also thinking of doing custom maps for each of the clan articles with the corresponding clan region coloured in. Geoff/Gsl 04:10, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments, Bruce. I will make the changes you suggested and consult the sites you mentioned when I revise the map.
I use The GIMP for all my maps. My maps are all traced so my "original" contributions are limited mainly to colouring. I am a bit nervous about the copyright issues. While each pixel I produce is original, the designs are largely derivative. Most of the military maps are taken from fairly old sources under Crown Copyright which are probably pretty safe. The clan map at the moment is pretty faithful to the source so I'll be happy to see it revised away from the original.
I am happy to make my source file (in GIMP's XCF format) available if you or anyone else wanted to make use of it. Geoff/Gsl 01:53, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Methinks your comment on my talk page "What Dave has done seems to be a good compromise" shoud be what Geoff has done, meaning his splendid map. The clan page has come on, hope you're happy with develp[ments. p.s. read Herald today, Glasgow variety, no relation to the Daily H. dave souza 19:06, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I agree the map is superb. I've now deleted the original clan list, transferring legitimate links up to the chart of Scottish Clans. Some links were not to clans but to placenames, etc, so I've ignored those. I've included the Stewart Clan (aware that there are several who claim to be the 'real' Stewarts - or Stuarts - but it needed to be represented.

Which article in the Glasgow Herald? - I had a look on the website but couldn't find anything, apart from a fascinating article entitled 'The remarkable tale of Indian Peter'.... Bruce, aka Agendum | Talk 00:48, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

apologies, meant I'd read it, just my little jape about the lamented daily Herald before the dreaded Murdoch Sun got to it. However, by coincidence the Sunday Herald yesterday had a supplement with the "top 50 clans" - clan Brown at no. 2 and clan Smith at no. 1! Some useful info in it, but I'm off to sort out the British Isles. - dave souza 20:59, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] History of British Newspapers

How could we have omitted the Daily Herald? Thanks for rectifying that - I remember it well when I was a young lad! Bruce, aka Agendum | Talk 23:27, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Not a problem. It seems to have been almost universally forgotten except as the paper that ultimately spawned The Sun. Very sad indeed. I think it merits an entry of its own and will probably add one when I get the chance. Cheers, Mattley 10:36, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Good idea, Mattley - as an important part of the Labour movement in the UK it should not be allowed to be forgotten. Bruce, aka Agendum 13:23, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] The Grid

I found the actual grid project at CERN. Replied to you at Talk:World Wide Web#The Grid.

Have a nice day! Kim Bruning 08:05, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Eric Gill

Thanks for including the link to Eric Gill's headstone. I noticed that you got the inscription just slightly wrong - 'Stone Carver' not 'cutter'. Do you think he carved it himself prior to his death? - although the bottom part he could not have done, of course.... Bruce, aka Agendum | Talk 01:08, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Also a good catch. To be fair, it was the anon before me who found the link. It didn't occur to me that the correction would also be wrong, but I guess the misdirection comes from the caption next to the photos on that link. I'm afraid I don't know whether Gill carved any of his own headstone - this link suggests it was at least his own design. -- Solipsist 07:06, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Clan list

apologies for adding back the deleted list, my error in editing offline. I did notice Armstrong wasn't on the new list, it's in the Collins book (it's a borders family): there are some odd omissions from the new list, and I did add in Hamilton. No doubt ot will fill out in time... dave souza 00:46, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC) ...Have looked at history and will aim to restore your edits asap, prooably over the weekend..dave souza 06:59, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)

That wasn't too painful, have now tried to restore the list with careful checking to avoid errors. I do try to make sure that any changes don't overwrite recent edits, but it went wrong that time. Did omit the link to Wallace and Gromit, apologies of that was your joke. As to separate lists, as discussed on the Scottish clan talk page this is a bit of a minefield, with Lord Lyon Court apparently not seeing any distinction. A quick google gave several Clan Armstrong pages, including one with the proud claim Acknowledged by Lord Lyon. Another case is Hamilton, who are a major lowlands family and also appear as a clan with territory in Arran, safely into the Highland area. Both have their tartans, of course. The column with (I'd suggest) H, L, H+L or L+H seemed a good compromise, still empty at the moment. Will try to have a look at this clan talk bit, dave souza 22:50, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Look forward to the page - I wouldn't worry about the overlap, agreed there's a significant difference between Highland clans and Lowland/Borders clans/families, but they're all Scottish and obviously a lot from completely lowland families want to think of it as a clan with a right to tartan. The side column should clarify the Highland/lowland distinction on the Scottish clan page, the Families page can expand on their particular histories etc. .dave souza 00:32, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Hi - noticed your changes to Armigerous families. Jardine has a Chief and is correctly placed on the Scottish Clans page. I note that Veitch doesn't feature on the myclans list of armigerous families - is there evidence it was ever had a chief and therefore should be considered armigerous? I suspect not, in which case it should probably be removed. Best wishes Mark Nesbitt 16:30, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikimeet London Dec 3

I just noticed your note on Jimbo's page saying you were sorry that you missed the last Wikimeet. This invite is a bit last minute, but hopefully you can make it Wikipedia:Meetup/London Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 22:11, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)


[edit] Holkham Hall

Hi, thanks for your kind words on Palladian architecture, if you know Holkham Hall you might like to check it, (I've only just finished it) for accuracy and detail, as it has been written from very long distance! Giano 10:07, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I don't suppose you have any fotos of the interiors of Holkham that are not copyright? Just a long shot, I don't bother usually too much about interiors, but the ones at Holkham are quite important architecturally. Next time you take a dog for a walk (hire one if necessary) a photo of the whole composition of Holkham would be nice too. Thanks for your comments on Palladian architecture, it seems to read now, much as it did before the 50 odd edits! Giano 21:48, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 2000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

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Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

[edit] Journalism

Hi, I saw you made some edits to the Newspaper article. I thought you might be interested in a new wiki about journalism. Maurreen 06:12, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Clapham Sect

Was Daniel Wilson, Bishop of Calcutta a member of the Clapham Sect?--PeterR 20:36, 27 August 2005 (UTC). What about Richard Cecil ? --PeterR 20:43, 27 August 2005 (UTC) Since I asked the question I think I read that Wilberforce and some others were regular attenders at his church (perhaps members there, not sure if membership in a local church is possible in Anglicanism, but I guess they could have been pew-renters etc.--PeterR 08:01, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Rowan Williams

Thank you for the compliment. However, on reflection it seemed to me that the ¶ was disproportionately long, given the relative brevity of the article. So I've done my best to trim myself (with only patial success), using the chance to add today's updated news. Cheers-- Doops | talk 18:31, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Some of the primates may in fact be opposed to women bishops; but it's not discussed in their letter. Doops | talk 04:21, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Who Ate All the Pies?

Brookie here - I have seen your criticism on the talk page - but also note that you haven't edited the main article page - why not do that to improve what you see as deficiencies - that way we all gain! :) Brookie: A collector of little round things 14:15, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re: your message on my talk page

You had a fair use image in one of your userboxes. I removed it. --Durin 22:04, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use image removal notification

I've previously removed fair use images from your userspace, and you have raised a concern about it. I've started Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Durin and fair use image removals. You may wish to review and comment. --Durin 13:48, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sandbox

Hi. I have moved your sandbox from the article namespace into your userspace, you can find it here. I've done this because the article namespace should only contain encyclopedic content. For more information on namespaces please see here. Cheers TigerShark 12:11, 10 June 2006 (UTC)


[[Cockaigne

I've made a note at Talk:Cockaigne querying yourtext: "some have argued that it was the original pre-Roman name for the city,". Linguistically, is this possible? Perhap you can report where this was read. Thank you. --Wetman 07:24, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] janteloven translation

your stated almost two years ago that you needed a translation of janteloven. well, it happened to be in my calender so I will translate it for you, it might sound strange cause i'll try to do the translation as precise as possible. The Jante Law 1. You shall not think, you are anything 2. You shall not think, that you are just as much as us 3. You shall not think, that you are wiser than us 4. You shall not delude yourself, that you are better than us 5. You shall not think, you know more than us 6. You shall not think, you are more than us 7. You shall not think, that you are (good/usefull) to anything 8. You shall not laugh at us 9. You shall not think, that anyone cares about you 10.You shall not think, that you can teach us anything (notes: you can replace think with believe since both means "tro". But since it is my impression that "believe" is majorly a word used in fairy tales and religion, I'll go with "think". In verse 7 I had a problem with the word "dur" since it's un-translateable, atleast in one word, but I think "are usefull" is the best shot.. so, now... don't get to depressed.

[edit] Wikipedia:Peer review/Scotland

The Scotland article has just been put up for Wikipedia:Peer review. This is a crucial step in getting this article up to WP:FA status, or at least closer to it, which can only have positive effects on all of Wikipedia's Scotland-related coverage. The best way to get the most out of peer review is to monitor for any comments made and try to respond to them promptly. I hope that you may have some possibility to assist in this task? Thanks. --Mais oui! 16:30, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Scotland

I am beginning to think that the Scottish Wikipedians' notice board is not the best vehicle for pushing up the quality of the Scotland article (we ought to try to get it to WP:FA, in order to get into Wikipedia:Version 0.5, or, failing that, Wikipedia:Version 1.0), and the other key Scottish articles. It is becoming increasingly obvious to me that we really ought to start up the long-mooted WikiProject Scotland.

Most of the stuff at the notice board (at least on the bottom half) is actually WikiProject material anyway, and the Talk page is really being used as a WikiProject talk already! The notice board should be just that: for bunging up brief notices and signposts. I am thinking of launching a Wikiproject and correspondingly radically clearing out, and chopping down, the noticeboard (a re-launch if you like). The Scotland Portal concept is fine (but currently mediocre/undynamic content), but in stasis: it needs a good kick up the jacksie.

For comparison, have a look at:

And, if you are at a loose end, have a look at:

Thoughts? Please express them here. --Mais oui! 18:25, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Scotland

Following a successful period of consultation WikiProject Scotland has now been launched. As a participant in the Scottish Wikipedians' notice board I wonder if you may be interested in this new endeavour too? If so, please sign-up here. The WikiProject will be replacing some of the functions of the notice board, especially those in the lower half.

While I am here, please also have a look at the new Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Scotland and give it a "Watch". It was started up by User:Visviva a few days ago, after long being mooted at the notice board, and effectively replaces all the AfD listings at the notice board. Being a transclusion of all the on-going discussions it is a much more useful tool.

Even if you do not want to spend too much time on the WikiProject, please give it a "Watch" and feel free to contribute to Talk page discussions: the more contributors the merrier.

All the best. --Mais oui! 10:32, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology

The WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology has just been created. Why not take a look? I hope you can join. Inge 17:13, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Biography Newsletter September 2006

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[edit] Welcome!

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{{unblock|I've been autoblocked because my IP address was recently used by Tony Sidaway}}

I think I've got it, please re-post unblock if it doesn't work -- Tawker 18:31, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RE:Response

I'm also at a loss on what thread or query this came up on as I don't remember it, but if you're asking how articles get the Biography tag that shows on the Talk page, that gets added in one of two ways. Individual editors like yourself add it to the Talk page themselves (See Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Project banner for instructions on how to add). Another way it gets added is when one of our bots auto-adds it. We just started doing the latter and so have only finished tagging any article that was in the category Category:Living people. We started going through the politician category, but it's slow going as there's only one person with a bot account, and then just a couple of us doing it manually using AWB. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Automation for a list of which categories we've hit and ones that are "on the plate", etc. Hope this answers your questions! If not, let me know. --plange 23:58, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Userpage vandalism

Hey! Just letting you know I've reverted some dumb vandalism on your userpage (sorry about that, by the way) and am sending the vandal off to Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism for making bad edits after a fourth-level warning. Just in case you wondered who was fooling around on your userpage. Switchercat talkcont 22:41, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unblock please

Netsnipe, it's happened again. Please unblock. – Agendum 00:53, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Unblocking, give me a couple of minutes. KillerChihuahua?!? 01:03, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, KillerCh. – Agendum 01:08, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Ok, check - there have been problems with undoing the sutoblock on you before, I want to confirm it worked this time. Oh, and you can call me KC. KillerChihuahua?!? 01:10, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
It looks alright now. Thanks for your help, KC. I had to go to bed immediately after sending the earlier message, so sorry for the delay in responding – it was gone 1.10am here and I'm not as young as I used to be.... See Baby boomer! – Agendum 13:31, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your user page

Your user page has been semi-protected to prevent vandalism. JDtalk 21:45, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I've also done this page. If you want me to unprotect any of them, just ask. JDtalk 21:52, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your help, JD. Much appreciated. – Agendum 00:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I've unprotected your user talk page, but I'll be watching it for more vandalism/abuse. J Di talk 15:52, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] When disambig'ing pages...

Please move the existing page to its new title and then change the former page into a disambig page, rather than creating a new page through a cut-and-paste move, as you did with John Thornton. When you make cut-and-paste moves, you break the GFDL chain, and make it impossible for people to determine who added what information. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 18:03, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anglicanism COTM

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[edit] Helping out with the Unassessed Wikipedia Biographies

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[edit] Wikiproject Biography March 2007 Newsletter

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[edit] WP:SCOWNB Participants merger with WP:SCO

As I hope you may have seen I am attempting to tidy up WP:SCOWNB by removing old notices and the duplication that has emerged since the creation of WP:SCO. One of the latter issues is that there are lists of active Wikipedians on both locations which overlap to a significant degree. As WP:SCOWNB is ideally a place for announcements I am in process of merging the lists at WP:SCO and intend to remove the one at WP:SCOWNB when this is complete. However there are a fair number of Users not on both lists. If you do not wish to have you current WP:SCOWNB entry re-appear at WP:SCO please either let me know or edit the latter as appropriate. Thanks for your patience, and continuing support of matters relating to WikiProject Scotland. Ben MacDui (Talk) 17:43, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Henry Phillpotts surfaces in Jamaica

You´ll be interested to know that Henry Phillpotts has appeared in the Jamaica lists..we were focused on looking for him in Barbados..so, looks like there is no involvement with Codrington, nor the SPG.. The payment was split between the four partners, not known yet how much the Bishop got..Cheers, Kbservices 19:45, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The WikiProject Biography Newsletter: Issue II - April 2007

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[edit] User:AlexNewArtBot

Hi Agendum, as a WikiProject Scotland participant, please check out this this thread and consider adding the bot results page to your watchlist so we can manually update the New Articles page. There are some false results for the first batch, but I'm sure we can collectively tune the rules to improve the output.

If we get enough people watching the results page, we'll be cooking with gas as they say :)   This looks like a great helper in finding new Scotland related material. Cheers. --Cactus.man ✍ 22:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] fishy edits to biography of Anna Anderson

(diff) (hist) . . Anna Anderson‎; 05:03 . . (-15,029) . . 209.136.70.48 (Talk)

These edits look fishy. Can you look at it? --Markisgreen 05:26, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Biography 2007 Summer Assessment Drive

WikiProject Biography Summer 2007 Assessment Drive!

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[edit] William Wilberforce

Thanks for your nice message, and I certainly agree it would be a great project to get the article up to GA and FA if possible. Judging by your userpage you have the background and resources to do it pretty much single-handed! My access to books etc is more limited, given where I live, but I can easily get access to pretty much any academic journal or newspaper under the sun, also the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, so will do what I can in that direction. BTW I was most interested to see all the Porteous material and connections you have here. I know a Porteous family here in Montreal and will have to figure out where they fit into it all sometime! --Slp1 17:59, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi again. No problemo at all about changing the ref name. You are doing a great job with all the rewriting. I will continue my slow citing efforts, though limited by lack of resources! As an observation, I generally find it easier to cite as one writes as finding the refs after can be a pain. It would also be nice to get hold of some of the more recent biographies and see what they have to add (and to give a bit of variety in the references!), but I don't know how feasible that is. I have made some notes from the Hochschild book and will add what I think are some interesting snippets as some point. I also downloaded some scholarly and other articles, which I will wade through soon. Presently real life is very real and very present, which will slow things down but I am committed to this project!--Slp1 02:37, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your message. I know what busy-ness is too, and that real life needs our main focus. I myself am still in super-busy season for the next fortnight or so, but will try and help out where I can. I have managed to get some academic articles to peruse, but of course need the time to do the perusing! I will get back to the article, though! --Slp1 23:30, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I am ploughing my way through the book, slowly but surely. There are a few discrepancies that I mean to bring up at some point, but I think getting a peer review would be useful information at this point. I am going to have limited internet access (and time to work on things) for the next little while, but I will do what I can and we would probably benefit from the feedback sooner rather than later in any case. --Slp1 (talk) 01:21, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi! Check my usertalk for some encouraging words from a frequent Feature Article reviewer! I think there is still a fair bit of work to do before we can in those reviewers, but it is a good start, no? --Slp1 (talk) 03:21, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
I will do my best, but am travelling and have very limited access and time at present. There are lots of things that I would like to clean up in the article, and of course there is finishing the Hague book. But hopefully there will be some constructive criticism that will also help in this process. --Slp1 (talk) 01:09, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
The more I look at it, the more I see needs to be done. There are lots of passages that are uncited, some problems with the format of the citations, duplicate and overlinking, etc. In general, and having been through this before on another article, I think it is preferable to get one's ducks in a row as much as possible before going for these 'promotion' type reviews. Hopefully we can work through things that need to be done quickly, though frankly the timing is not that great for me, as noted above.Slp1 (talk) 03:01, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anglican collaboration of the month

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[edit] WikiProject Biography Newsletter 5

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[edit] GA Review of William Wilberforce

Hi there!

I'm reviewing the aforementioned article for GA, and I noticed you had quite a few contributions to both the article and the talk page. I was wondering if you'd be interested in taking a look at some small issues I brought up on the talk page? It'd probably take you under an hour to fix most of the them. Anyways, this is just to let you know what's going on with that article.

Cheers,

Malachirality (talk) 09:01, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for your note. Good to hear from you, Malachirality – I have to confess that I have ignored WW in recent weeks. You are right – the body of the article was largely rewritten by me, with sterling help from Slp1 (especially), Keith and David.
I have a couple of days off this week, so will do as you have suggested and try to bring him up to scratch. Thanks for interest and your helpful suggestions. Cheers – Agendum (talk) 23:37, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your note and I am glad to see that you are back in the saddle again! I myself much appreciate working with others on these things, and hope you don't mind too much some of the changes I have made to the text. I like to stick very closely to the sources I have when sourcing things, and I have reorganized things a bit, but I am happy to discuss any of these changes. I am hoping to get things up to scratch this weekend. For me this means....
  • fully sourcing the text, and deleting what can't be.
  • adding a bit more about the Clapham sect, living arrangements etc
  • adding about the Queen Caroline affair
  • amplifying information about the Sierra Leone project
  • tightening up the section about abolition which I agree with Malachirality is a bit too much about the topic and not enough about WW
  • adding something about how WW has adopted by Christians/evangelicals as a Christian hero
  • and the other suggestions Malachirality has....

mmm, seems a lot! Hope it can be done though, and of course you likely have your own ideas!Slp1 (talk) 16:46, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. Your plan sounds great, and I agree that the print out thing often helps a lot. I guess there is something about paper. I agree we are very close to being ready, though I do have one or two other things in mind as above, including a journal article I found that may be useful for a different perspective and a new reference! I hope to get to these things in the next couple of days. --Slp1 (talk) 15:55, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

PS I have learnt to spell Tomkins correctly now. Thanks very much!

Thanks again for the message. I have done another run through and hope to have caught some of the stray extra commas, but this is obviously not really my gift, so perhaps you can have a look too. Can you check out the thing about meeting in the parliamentary gallery... Hague and others say it was before they became MPs, but maybe Pollock says differently? I still have designs to increase the Sierra Leone section and to add to the Legacy section, and hopefully that can happen before the end of tomorrow, but wouldn't be a sine qua non anyway, I wouldn't think. Must go to bed.03:06, 24 March 2008 (UTC)Slp1 (talk)
It's looking good, I think. I am giving myself an hour before bed to try a few more tweaks and clarifications and will do what I can. I think those sentences are fine... as you say important to the story.Slp1 (talk) 01:05, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Well done for even trying! I figure some boffin will make some sort of bot or patch or whatever to fix the problem! I can't imagine it will be held against the article given the circumstances. Anyway the picture is so lovely and large that it is good for the visually impaired! Slp1 (talk) 18:38, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for your question, Bruce. Per WP:LEAD "The lead should be able to stand alone as a concise overview of the article. It should establish context, summarize the most important points, explain why the subject is interesting or notable, and briefly describe its notable controversies, if there are any." I think we need to cover some of the less positive material in the lead to give a whole flavour of the man. I think there are likely other tweaks to be made to make sure it follows WP:LEAD, but I'm incline to wait a bit for that! --Slp1 (talk) 22:11, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reverting edits

As a new user I am puzzled. If this page is about the Porteous family of Scotland why is it not titled as such? Also, at what point does a Porteous of Scotland become an Englishman like Beilby Porteus for instance? Does this not go against your argument for reverting the changes .

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[edit] William the Good

Hi Bruce,

It was a long wait, but with patience we are there, thanks to all your hard work. Congratulations and have a glass of champers!!! --Slp1 (talk) 21:00, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] reportedly

re the singing edit. Can you check the discussion on this at the peer review page: [1]. The reviewer didn't like the "reportedly" part, and wanted more information which is why I changed it. --Slp1 (talk) 22:35, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm no expert but I think it must be a fake, or possibly a still from a film or something. It does look like a photo and in fact I am sure it is. It isn't in any book I've seen and it is awfully early for a photograph, no? I was thinking (without looking properly) that it was just a black and white photo of the painting, but you are right, it isn't. The man doesn't even look the same. Too many weird things. Take it out, say I. --Slp1 (talk) 21:55, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Autograph

Thank you for your comment in my 'autograph' book. I'm just a cheerleader for William Wilberforce! I hope you two take it to Wikipedia:Featured article candidates soon...although beware that the process is akin to a pit of vipers. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 13:31, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Image:Wiberforce monument.jpg

Hi- you were right that this was under a CC license, but it was under a non-free one- Attribution No-Derivs 2.0. This is non free as it does not allow derivative works. Wikipedia can accept only CC licenses that count as 'free', and a list of those can be found here. Feel free to contact me on my talk page if I can be of any help. J Milburn (talk) 18:28, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] William

Thanks for your encouragement, though I think the credit should go to Qp10qp's review, which I am still struggling to respond to, though slowly making ground. Unfortunately, there still seem to be important but challenging aspects to work on, but I am hoping to get to these as soon as I can.--Slp1 (talk) 15:55, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Once again, thanks for the feedback. I am almost at the bottom of my piles of papers and notes, so the end is in sight for me. I think it would be great if you could look into the images, as you suggest. Maybe a cropping of the column would make it stand up straighter? Also contacting Elcobbola (talk • contribs • count): it would be good to get any surprises re images sorted out before getting to FAC. --Slp1 (talk) 11:49, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Question..

I totally realize that you are wanting this to be a fair and accurate biography, but I am just wondering about some of your recent edits. Forgive me for asking: I'm thinking of this edit in particular [3] which is well sourced using "unchristian" and this one [4]: Pinfold doesn't talk about a divinely inspired crusade, but perhaps Hague does: I can't check because I had to take the book back to the library? Does Hague mention this there? --Slp1 (talk) 00:07, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I actually think moving up the quote is fine, and placing more emphasis on this is okay. Hague calls something similar to this but does not use the same language which is why I phrased it as I did. My problem is that we can't include our own opinions into the article, we need to make sure that any edits we make accurate reflect the sources cited. For example, immoral is not the same as unchristian and unchristian is the specific word Pinfold used. I would also very much suggest we avoid adding any more Pollock. He may have been the standard biography, but I have now read 2 specific comments which links his book in the out of date elitist view, including one that was written in the 1980s!! e.g. "The sons were primarily responsible for the traditional view, the simplistic myth of Wilberforce and his Evangelical allies as allies in a holy crusade against the greatest Evil of the times....It was this elitist view, given scholarly acceptability by Sir Reginald Coupland, who in addition to amplifying the background, presented Wilberforce as a kindly, lovable and immensely popular personality. This is basically the position taken by two more recent biographers, Robin Furneaux and the Rev. John Pollock -both of whom are sympathetic to Wilberforce's religious motivations." from Out of Slavery: Abolition and After (Studies in Commonwealth Politics and History). I don't think we want to use too much in the way of interpretation from a 30 year old book that has been criticized for its old fashioned approach.--Slp1 (talk) 11:44, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Happy reading! I totally agree about the irritation of googlebooks and amazon, but they are very useful and wet the appetite, which of course is the idea! There are lots of other similar ones out there, if you do googlebooks searches, all of which help to broaden the mind. I don't by any means think that Brown is the be all and end all of WW interpretation, and actually having read around the subject a bit, in some ways the only really new thing he brought for the purposes of this article was the idea that people can have multiple motivations and the Evangelicals were in part motivated by the fact that it was a very popular campaign. New, but not exactly outrageous, given what we all know about how much more fun it is to be involved in a popular cause than an unpopular one! I guess the way I see it is that none of these interpretations are so radically different from each other that we need to attribute them specifically. They all say that he was motivated by his Christianity and the way that he felt Christianity should be lived out. (All except Williams, I guess, who also sufficiently outmoded that we don't need to give his views space in the biography part) Personally, I think that is clear in the text. Of course, how he thought Christianity should be lived out also led him to support/oppose/ignore some other things people might and did/do question: but as Hague and Hochschild point out, he was just being consistent with his worldview. Not such a strange or bad thing either, really.Slp1 (talk) 23:48, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
BTW did you see ElCobbola's edit on my talkpage about the photos on Flickr etc? Perhaps you could answer since you have a better grasp of what you did and what happened etc. Slp1 (talk) 23:53, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

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