Talk:Afro textured hair

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[edit] exclusive only to blacks?

the article says that this hair appears 'exclusively in blacks'. well, i am of italian descent, and i have hair of this texture. i dont think that the hair is really black exclusive. i think it can also occur in people of mediterranian descent. i dont have a picture of myself, but look at italian rapper caparezza. his hair is certainly afro textured, as is mine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.252.203.201 (talk) 22:54, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recommending that more scientific background be added

I recommend that someone edit this page to add more scientific based information. Particularly what causes Sub-saharan african's hair to be unique and perhaps add a bit of what the differences are in textures, glands in the scalp, etc that make sub-saharan hair different. This page currently reads like someone's personal interpertation of how black hair and the social attitudes toward it. This page does not explain very much about afro textured hair itself at all.

[edit] Slander

I have changed "Islamic slave trade" to "arab slave trade". The atlantic slave trade is not referred to as "The christian slave trade" now is it. Be civil and unbiased from now on.

Roc

Usually you'd be right, but I think this instance, and that of Jews, are the only time it's valid to assign a religion to a people and refer to them interchangably.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.122.208.51 (talk) 16:07, 9 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Cleanup

Please keep the cleanup tag on the article. Someone will come around and take care of it. —BazookaJoe 22:31, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

What do you mean take care of it? Who is coming to 'take care of it'? What needs to be changed 'officially'? I'm very proud of my work and I don't want it tampered with. I will leave the clean up tag there.--24.176.41.51 23:15, 24 October 2005 (UTC)Anonymous X

Who has been deleting all of my pictures? I love my page. Please leave it! --Anonymous X 01:47, 29 October 2005 (UTC)Anonymous X

I have because they have dubious copyright status. Please do not add copyrighted pictures to articles. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 01:49, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

I do not understand,Theresa! When I did not add a copyright, you deleted them , I thought the solution was to provide a link of where they came from. What can I do to keep them? can you at least leave the outlines so people would know the appropriate pictures would have gone there --Anonymous X 01:52, 29 October 2005 (UTC)Anonymous X

You can't keep them unless you own the copyright (i.e. you took them yourself) or the person who does own the copyright allows us to use them. If we had copyright photo's taken from other websites on wikipedia the owners of those photos could take us to court for copyright infringment.
Try putting a request at Wikipedia:Requested pictures for photographs of afro hair, or take some photos yourself. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 01:56, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

I think there's some misunderstanding. I own all those links. So just repost them w/out providing the links?... --Anonymous X 02:00, 29 October 2005 (UTC)Anonymous X

They are you own websites? Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 02:05, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes. May I reinsert my pictures? --Anonymous X 02:14, 29 October 2005 (UTC) Anonymous X

Oh I see. Then yes (provided that you own the copyright) you may reinsert the pics. But before you do (to prevent this misunderstanding from happening again) go to each and every one of the image description pages and state on it that you took the photo yourself. You also need to a a tag stating which licence you wish to release the pictures under. If you are happy to give up all copyright on the picture just add {{PD}} If you want to keeps some rights look through the other licenses and choose one. If you need any help let me know (I'm off to bed now but will check in the morning) Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 02:23, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Thank you Theresa --Anonymous X 02:24, 29 October 2005 (UTC) Anonymous X

Whoever edited my page, removing all of my lovely pictures is vandalism. Pam Grier is not the best representative of Afro textured hair and the article isn't just on the Afro hairstyle. Please do not pull such an offensive stunt again. --161.57.100.20 05:25, 30 October 2005 (UTC)Anonymous X

You were informaed that those pictures cannot be used; you got them from the internet (I do not think you own all of the websites from which they came, as you said above. You said on your talk page that you "got them from the internet", and when I ran a search looking for fair use alternatives, I ran across those pictures on several other websites). The page was tagged for cleanup, meaning that someone needed to revise the page and bring it in line with the proper formatting for a Wikipedia article. This page does not belong solely to you; anyone can, will, and should edit it. It is not an act of vandalism to clean up an article, but reverting pages to your preferred version (especially when that version is not in line with standards) is vandalism.--FuriousFreddy 08:39, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Anonymous X's pictures

Image:Protestblackpower.jpg Anonymous X states that it came from http://www.redstroke.com/images/usa2002/777236-R4-1A-protestblackpower.jpg. This website has the pretty clear copyright notice "All material on Redstroke.com Copyright © 1998-2005, Van Goodwin, unless stated otherwise. All rights reserved. Don't steal my shit."

Image:Corn1.jpg Comes from http://www.supersites.ca/venessasstylestudioinc. No copyright notice but ot's pretty safe tio assume that Venessa is not the same person as Van Goodwin.

Image:Lud.jpg Comes from http://www.misionurbana.com/ and has the following copyright notice © Copyright 2003 www.misionurbana.com although they appear to have taken it from www.ludacris.net (it's on the photo) which also has a copyright notice on it © 2004 Def Jam Recordings, All Rights Reserved.

Image:Dreds.jpg Comes from http://www.howtodread.com. There is no information as to who actually wrote the site but a ns lookup reveals that they are in washington USA (note that venessa is in Canada)

Image:Afro Sheen.gif Is an advertisment. Clearly taken by a professional photogropher (Who would know all about copyrights)


Image:Walter Lini.jpg

Appears to have come from. www.info-regenten.de a German website

Image:Wole.gif

Comes from http://www.sooderso.net/ another German website. Note that this picture has been mistakenly saved as a .gif rather than a .jpg

Anonymous X is claiming to own all these websites, and is claiming to have taken all these pictures. Anonymous X is clearly lying. All these photos will be deleted. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 09:38, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

I should say, this is a relative;y unfortunate turn of events!! First some lunatic vandalises my work by removing my pictures and senetences without adding anything new except two pathetic examples of an Afro and cornrows ( this is about Afro extured hair, not just styles)and then people I THOUGHT were my friends decide to delete my lovely photos that compliment my article so well.... This article was my baby. You all have ruined me... P.S It was said the article needed to be 'cleaned' but with only a few things removed and changed is it any better then before? No, my article with my lovely pictures was better then the mess up there now!! I was going to add more to, but nobody appreciates me.. --161.57.100.3 22:59, 30 October 2005 (UTC)Anonymous X

They are not your lovely photos. They belong to whoever took them. You cannot plagerise other's work. Take your own photographs or go without.
Do not insult other users by calling them "lunatics". All pages on Wikipedia are editable, and if they need to be revised or re-written (which this one did), then they will be. I rewrote the article, fixing grammar, spelling, sentence structure, and wording. Please do not revert the article to the version you wrote again. --FuriousFreddy 00:39, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
HEY! I am a Lunitic, albet not the kind his is talking about. Somehow, I am starting to really like the guy who wrote the page. 69.181.232.116 12:45, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Somebody completely removed the wooly hair syndrome article by the way, is that not vandalism? --161.57.100.20 23:03, 30 October 2005 (UTC)Anonymous X

It's been redirected here because it was a copyvio (presumably of the text) Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 23:18, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
It was a direct swipe from the text of the PDF. The author wrote an article at Wooly hair syndrome which is original, and at a better namespace (Wooly hair should redirect here). --FuriousFreddy 00:39, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

They were lovely pictures nonetheless! I think there is a misunderstandting Therea, the article I'm talking about is not about Black peoples/Afro textured hair, it was about a hair disorder among Caucasians. --161.57.100.3 23:46, 30 October 2005 (UTC) Anonymous X

it doesn't matter how lovely they were. You cannot use them. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 00:04, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] re: cleanup and links.

I cleaned up the article again, and have relegated all links to an "external links" sections, as is our standard for quality. It would probably be best to have free-use photgraphs taken. I have a photo I too kof an afro-pick somewhere in my room, but I think I might have trouble procuring willing photo subjects to be photographed for an encyclopedia article. I will try, however. --FuriousFreddy 00:43, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

I liked my article the way it was. It's bad enough I can't show the pictures, is it a MUST that all the links to them be placed at the end or what that your personal preference? Unfortanatly I don't have free use photos.And why is the link to the wooly hair syndrome continuosy removed, you might as well remove the 'some Caucasians have extremely frizzy hair' as well to, it was only there to link the wooly hair syndrome. --24.176.41.51 20:59, 5 November 2005 (UTC)Anonymous X

Adding this : And is there a reason why Afro textured hair is a category under African AMERICAN culture? What about all the people in sub-saharan Africa, where cornrows and braids came from? --24.176.41.53 00:03, 6 November 2005 (UTC)Anonymous X

Answers:
  1. To (mis)quote Chuck D, "you don't own no article". Whether you liked the article the way it was or not is completely arbitrary: it had to be improved to meet our quality standards. How external links are formatted is not my personal preference, but an established style guide for a consistent and professional layout style. As per our Manual of Style, external links are placed at the bottom of a page in a formatted list, and not strewn throughout the article. Take a look at the featured articles for examples of how articles should look.
  2. Wasn't aware the was a link to wooly hair syndrome here. It's now present.
  3. My suggestion was that actual photographs of Black people with various types and styles of hair be taken. A barbershop would be fine place to take some of these, if anyone has a digital camera.
  4. I have added Category:African culture to the article. --FuriousFreddy 07:13, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Additons

From growing up in Berkeley, California, and seeing Angela Davis speek at least 10 times when I was very young, now to several times that I am much older, I added her picture to the bottom of the list. She is still as vibrant and radical as I remembered her from my distant past. She is also extrodinarly beautifull.

[edit] Semi-nappyy?

Would mixed-race persons get genetically "half-nappy" hair (between nappy/straight) or would the result be one or the other? 惑乱 分からん 17:35, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

It would be wavy, which is a different texture altogether. It can vary from being very curly, but distinct from nappy, to being almost straight, but in most cases it will be jet black (though it can sometimes be other colors). Think of the hair of Arabs, for instance, on one extreme, and Horn of Africans as the other for hair types between Straight and Nappy. — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 11:55, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Make It??

Can some hairdressers, using chemicals and stuff, alter Caucasian people's hair, to get the nappyness of the Afro texturised hair?