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Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Afro-Mexican

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[edit] Neutrality msg

I see no POV problem with the article, some tough talk but nothing untrue or problematic POV. Since I doubt anyone wil be reading this I am going to remove it now. Please don't be angry. :D george 02:53, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "Lobos"

Isn't that, like, the second most offensive name you could call these people? Or am I thinking of something else? –Hajor 00:41, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Lobo sounds very offensive, SqueakBox July 9, 2005 01:03 (UTC)
no taking in count the mestizos were also called coyotes.
Which presumably was another insult, SqueakBox 17:17, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
Being that we have articles about nigger, redneck, white cracker, dyke, queer, faggot, Kraut these terms don't seem like insults, especially Afro-Mexican and Afro-Latin American. --Vizcarra 17:56, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Clarification -- my comment above was made at a time when this article was moved to Lobo (Zambo), which is obviously quite a different issue. Blacks, German people, etc. moved to the article locations given above would, I hope, be just as unacceptable. –Hajor 19:22, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Redirects

I'd like some explanation why this page was renamed twice, thereby creating a double redirect chain and leaving a page whose title appears nowhere in the body. --Kelly Martin 00:54, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] blacks in central america and south america

there are also blacks in central america, and south america.

Gringo300 30 June 2005 02:55 (UTC)

Indeed. There's an overview at Afro-Latin American, but it's still very sketchy & unequal in its coverage. –Hajor 30 June 2005 13:51 (UTC)

[edit] Mexican Negros

  • Zamorita
  • Johny Laboriel

I'm a mexican negro and I don't get mad because people call me negro, not even in Cuba or República Dominicana. I think afro-mexican sounds funny.

My partner gets called negra a lot up the coast here in Honduras; if she was fat they would probably call her gordita (fatty). That is the Latin American way, and is a sign of affection not rascism. Sounds just the same as in Mexico, as I know it is from my little experience of your country, SqueakBox July 9, 2005 00:31 (UTC)

[edit] Don't destroy the article!

If you are proposing a VfD you are welcome, but don't blank my edits. --Vizcarra 9 July 2005 00:25 (UTC)


I already have a Vfd. I would argue that readers can already read this at Afro-Latin American but the Vfd doesn't, of course, stop you editing the article. Why do you want a separate article. can we reach a compromise, SqueakBox July 9, 2005 00:29 (UTC)

If the Vfd doesn't stop people from editing the article don't blank my edits. I want to separate the article because of its size, it will be more readable since it is much larger than the other countries mentioned. Afro-Mexican is already of a similar size than Afro-Latin American it is entitled to its own space, why? because the terms are not synonyms. --Vizcarra 9 July 2005 00:57 (UTC)

I am not now reverting your last revert? It is Afro Latin American that needs this article if it is to be viable, and it's length would encourage info on other countries, SqueakBox July 9, 2005 01:02 (UTC)

Yes you did, and I thank you for it. Afro Latin American does need the info that's why I kept the summary. If anyone is interested in more about the particular country of Mexico, the link is there to follow the main article. The fact that it has an article of its own would encourage info about other countries as well. And if they all do, the size of the article would be unmanageable (see the wikipedia size limits). --Vizcarra 9 July 2005 01:16 (UTC)


I think we should only worry about weight issues when they actually happen, SqueakBox July 9, 2005 01:33 (UTC)

[edit] VFD debate

This article was formerly listed at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Afro-Mexican. After the ensuing debate came to consensus, the article was kept. Bratschetalk 5 pillars 02:11, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] POV

I think that the article has a heavily biased Usian point of view.

Examples:

In the eyes of Mexican population, only people with very dark skin are actually called "negro", so the black population is not perceived as a community.

So, what is black population? Not what locals or themselves consider black, but what the writer considers black? If I have a black grandfather, and 3 white ones, I'm not a negro, but I think the author considers I should be part of the so called black community.

What is a black population?.. this is a good question with no wasy answers, since is tainted with cultural views. I agree the phrasing is a bit akward. (i wrote it), if you could hlep to cleaning i would be glad. That i im tryin to explain is this: Today in Mexico, there a people of with black ancestry trying to create a sense of a black. But most of the people wich "looks" it has a black ancestry, prefer to be considered "Mestizo". Nanahuatzin 08:16, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Lack of acknowledgement sometimes makes it difficult for Afro-Mexicans to take pride in their African heritage.
, so the population is classified on cultural bases rather than racial.

It looks as if the article agreed with a racialist/genetist point of view, similar to the one drop rule, so if anyone has a drop of African blood is suposed to have an "African heritage".

yes, actually this part was written by someone who believes that a "drop of African blood is suposed to have an "African heritage", but i did not wanted to erase his point of view. Nanahuatzin 08:16, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I think the article needs to be neutralized. --81.38.187.38 00:10, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

The article containts two diferents point of view, so it need cleaning, and a good style correction. i also have the bad habit of not put sources. I will try to document it, but i need someone with a much better english than me , to take care of it. Nanahuatzin 08:16, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

IT is an undisputed fact that Diego Rivera's father was of puren European descent and his mother was of indigenous decent. There is no documentation of Rivera having an African background. This is a travesty.

[edit] This is interesting

There are many books and writings by this man (Marco Polo Hernandez Cuevas). The one that is most popular right now is,”African Mexicans and the Discourse on Modern Nation" It is a good read; he has another book coming out.

It is interesting reading all of the discussions on line, makes me happy and proud. :)

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/That Girl (talk) 07:12, 15 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Emiliano Zapata

I would like to see a source placed for the claim that Zapata was Afro-Mexican. I've never even heard of this assumption. Can anyone shed light on the matter? If not I'd like to see this challenged. DeathRattle101 (talk) 06:17, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Zapata was Nahua Indigenous Mexican, probably not "pure blooded", but it is documented that he spoke Nahuatl as did most people from Anenecuilco. Actually there are fairly few Afro-Mexicans in inland Morelos, being an inland state. The section has to be changed since it is nowhere near commonly accepted that Zapata had any Afro-Mxican heritage. IF reliable sources to the claim are introduced it still merits no morer than a mention about "speculations and theories that Zapata might have been Afro-Mexican".·Maunus· ·ƛ· 10:11, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
I have removed th Zapata section which has remained un-referenced for over a week now.·Maunus· ·ƛ· 10:05, 2 January 2008 (UTC)