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Thanks to DO'Neil for putting up the AWB flag in the article. Thanks also to Quiensabe for the additional information on the NP and Bophuthatswana debacles. Finally thanks Findlay McWalter, MDCore, and Chris 73 to other improvments. -SeamusRedux

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[edit] Past tense?

Why is it in past tense (i.e. they were an extremist group)

It's because they are no longer in existence. 69.118.97.26 18:31, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

But they are in existence! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.172.14.80 (talk) 08:51, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

They are sometimes refered to in the present tense Shreder 02 (talk) 17:58, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 'Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging' vs. Afrikanerweerstandsbeweging

I have moved 'Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging' to Afrikanerweerstandsbeweging. If the latter is the proper name, then we should use it. If there are no protests, I will also proceed and change the wikilinks to avoid redirect. --Ezeu 17:28, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Umm, no, the original name is the proper name. You can also see this on their own website. It is improper in Afrikaans to contract the name into one word, and should be two. I suggest you move it back and revert the wikilinks you changed. dewet|™ 16:56, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

I asked here, and waited a few days before editing the wikilinks. I concede that I should have given it a litile more time, since I (apparently) was mistaken. I will revert my erroneous edits. But since Wikipedia is a collaborative effort, and the accuracy of this article does not rely solely on my shoulders, I suggest y'all pitch in. --Ezeu 13:46, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Moved. I confirmed that both the AWB website and the Afrikaans wikipedia use the name in two words, as Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging. So I moved the page from Afrikanerweerstandsbeweging, but I stupidly messed up by moving it to Afrikanerweerstands Beweging - putting the gap in the wrong place. Slip of the keyboard, and a rather public mistake. I have now moved all the content back to the right place, including this talk page. Unfortunately the history is now hidden on the page I incorrectly moved it to - [1]. I don't know if an administrator could move the history back to the right place. Humble apologies for this error. Zaian 22:22, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
Thanks to CesarB, this is now sorted out. Thanks Ezeu and Dewet for letting the admins know about the problem. Zaian 23:59, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
No problemo. Sometimes, the Wikimedia software can be a nightmare to sort out seemingly simple problems ;) dewet|™ 07:11, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bop coup?

I have a strong feeling the events described here were in 1990, not 1994. Can anyone help? Guinnog 23:32, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

He railed against the lifting of many so-called "Petty apartheid" laws such as the law banning interracial sex and marriage, as well as the larger and more important steps, such as limited political rights to Indians and Coloureds (though the AWB had several Coloured members)

Is this really true? Did and does AWB have coloured members? Dr.Poison 20:20, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Source?

"and wished to drive all English-speakers into the sea " Is this true and can we have a source for this and could somebody also confirm that AWB had coloured members? Dr.Poison 23:03, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] For Real?

This article says that The Afrikanerweerstandsbeweging had backing from the American Government? that can't really be true... Stevo D 14:15, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I lived in Pretoria at the time and had connections to the US Embassy. I hadn't heard that they were giving aid to the AWB, but given many of the other bizarre things they were doing it wouldn't have particularly surprised me.
I can say that I know for sure that they were making a practice of hiring the children of ANC officers to work in the Embassy, a practice that put these people pretty much off-limits to the South African Police. As well, I am almost certain that they provided substantial logistical support to the ANC in their dust-up with Inkatha in Natal.
You have to sort of understand that US foreign policy is often schizoid in nature in this sort of situation. For example, the US made sure that the South Africans got the Bull designed 155 mm cannon which kept them in the game in Angola. Plaasjaapie 13:42, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

The reference on page 96 says that in 1870 the US recognised the sovereignty of the Transvaal Republic. It's not saying that the USA supported the AWB in the late 20th century. Zaian 19:07, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Boers or Afrikaners?

Okay, I've mildly addressed the issue of whether or not they were fighting for the Boer people or the Afrikaners in general (thus including Cape Afrikaners), Terre'Blanche refers to himself as a Boer, however the name indicates that they are pro- Afrikaner as well. It seems more likely that they were a resistance movement for the Boer people (considering that there was a lack of Boer- represented political organisations during the Apartheid era and the National Party seemed to have Afrikaner and English- speaking Whites' interests at heart over the Boers).

A lot of their rhetoric was directed at the farming man, they had a firm belief that they had been sold- out by DeKlerk and that the Boers had had no chance to pose their views before the Reform Process was begun.

Either way we need some solid proof to prove who they were an organisation for, the fact that non- Boer whites related more to the Boer resistance to the ending of Apartheid than they did to their own people doesn't make a difference, we need to have the ethos as set out by ET.

82.14.85.58 17:51, 20 April 2007 (UTC)


[edit] POV

This article is unbalanced in that it explores very little of the violence committed by AWB members: see for instance -

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Suidafrikaan (talk • contribs).

A few missing facts, does not constitute bias or non-neutral, please see Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. If you feel that additional information should be added to the article, then do so, but do not restore this tag on the grounds of this missing information. Furthermore, it is up for debate whether the two cited examples would contribute anything to the understanding of the organization, because it refers to abhorrent violent conduct of some members, presumably not condoned by the leadership. Aside from that, the article already describes various incidents of violent protests and actions including the Bophuthatswana coup, the Battle of Ventersdorp and the Storming of Kempton Park World Trade Centre which should make their official/organized violent abundantly clear. --Deon Steyn 11:47, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bias

"British war crimes led to the illegal take over of South Africa in the early 1900's. He and other Boers continue their struggle for freedom of the mounting surpression and persecution of their people."

Hardly neutral, IMO. Josh 18:05, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Maybe we can change the sentence to something like "He and other Boers continue their struggle for freedom of, according to them, the mounting surpression and persecution of their people." I am not a fundi in English, so I dunno if that sentence would be correct.41.243.32.195 (talk) 10:26, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Use of the word "boers" is a problem in itself. It is widely regarded to be an ethnic slur by most white South Africans. The problem is that the AWB members/supporters use it with pride as a "self identifying" term. Roger (talk) 12:41, 21 March 2008 (UTC)