Talk:AFI's 100 Years... 100 Movies

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[edit] Total recall???!?!?!

So Total Recall is the best movie ever, instead of say, Citizen Kane? 220.253.12.35 06:29, 16 November 2007 (UTC) byrnes777

I don't know much about copyright law, so I can't say whether or not the inclusion of the entire list in this article violates any copyright, but if the list on this page is to be removed the list should also be removed from each of the other articles in the AFI 100 Years... series. NoIdeaNick 14:30, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm not a lawyer, but this strikes me as fair use. I don't have to be a member of the Associated Press to use refer to its Top 25 college football poll. If I started to get into what was said about each film by the contributors, etc., that would be very problematic. BTW, lots of critics suggested that another native American film type, the Western, is also at least as badly underrepresented as is noir.

This list forgets "To be or not to be" by Ernst Lubitsch, which is considered (at least in France) as one of the greatest film ever made. Maybe Wikipedia should create its own list. Alexander Doria 17:12, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah a Wikipedia list would be great. LMAO
I think that that would be considered original research, which is not allowed. We can only report on lists that others have created, outside the project (as long as they are notable). To Be or Not to Be (1942 film) is also not listed at Films considered the greatest ever, I'm not sure where you might go to find a list that it is on. - Trevor MacInnis (Contribs) 23:26, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

In the French Encyclopedia "Quid" I read (page 389 B) : "According to the review Positf (…) the most important films are (1992's referendum): La règle du jeu, Citizen Kane (…) To be or not to be". (Lubitsch's film is the 17th on a list of 21 films). And, the article Films considered the greatest ever precisely quote this review which stands as an international institution. Then, isn't it an irregularity? Alexander Doria 15:00, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Maybe so, but is not a mistake on Wikipedias part that the movie is not on this particular list. This list is taken directly from here. We don't change it or make observations about it in any way. If you wish you could try making a page called X 's list of important films or whatever. I couldn't find the reference you mentioned above so I'm not sure how to name the article. Hope this helps. - Trevor MacInnis (Contribs)

[edit] Why is the list frequently removed?

I frequently visit this page for movie selections and find the list pretty helpful. It not only gives me the list, but also the links to the movie pages, and I could check on the story and the characters. This way it is much more helpful than the list in the AFI page. But, a bunch of jerks dont think so and keep harping on some vague copyright idea and reverting the edits. So, if you say a movie won Academy awards, are you violating the copyright of the Academy? This is simply stupid and I guess the only thing these editors try to do is to show off that they know something about copyright. I dont think any organization enforces copyrights on a ranking list, and AFI list is all over the internet. The main reason why the list should be put here in Wikipedia is that, the list could be used to cross reference the page about the movie. But, I believe there are somepeople who want to turn every interesting article in Wikipedia empty just to show off their vanity and arrogance. Sorry, I cant help but venty my feelings at those idiots who spoil my Wikipedia experience. 71.231.178.238 07:38, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Answered at user's talk, at least for now. If others have opinions, feel free to chime in. – Luna Santin (talk) 07:53, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Anonymous contributor: Please remain civil. Your comments of "jerks", "stupid", "vanity", and "arrogance", are unacceptable. Sancho 08:34, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Please act civilly. As long as the article exists, you can see the list simply clicking on the history tab. Millancad 08:32, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good news. The lists are in public domain

Here is the mail from them. I could forward it to Wikipedia if you want

Dear Balaji Viswanathan,

Thank you for contacting AFI. The lists are public domain. You can use them as long as you credit us with the correct title of the list , however you are NOT allowed to use the AFI LOGO. You can say "AFI's 100 Years...100 Thrills" but can't print the actual logo. If you do want to print the logo we need to license it. Thank you for your interest in AFI.


AFI does offer many exclusive benefits through membership, such as unlimited access to the online AFI Catalog of Feature Films, invitations to AFI events and special screenings, film-related magazine subscriptions.

Please visit AFI.com to learn more about the valuable and exciting benefits of membership with AFI!

Thank you for your interest in AFI.

Best Regards,

AFI Web Team

Balajiviswanathan 19:20, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Please forward the mail with complete headers to permissions@wikimedia.org. Thanks. --Gmaxwell 02:55, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Still haven't seen the forward. :( --Gmaxwell 01:12, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Seemed I missed it, thanks!--Gmaxwell 01:25, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
OTRS Ticket 2007041310002766 . Mak (talk) 01:33, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Compared List

When the list is finished, we should work on a tabulated list which shows the original list, compared with the new list, with ▲ for movies that rose, ▼ for movies that fell, ▬ for those that stayed the same, and some sort of star (*) for newcomers to the list. --Kitch (Talk : Contrib) 02:36, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Sorry, this belongs in the 10th anniversary file. --Kitch (Talk : Contrib) 02:43, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merger

Please see discussion of proposed merger of both articles on here Jvsett 18:25, 23 June 2007 (UTC)