Talk:Afghanistan Pakistan People's Friendship Association

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This article was nominated for deletion on 12 May 2008. The result of the discussion was no consensus, default keep.

[edit] The saga of Afghanistan Pakistan People's Friendship Association and User:Ragib

The user User:Ragib deleted the original Afghanistan Pakistan People's Friendship Association page without any discussion. It was resurrected after I objected to its disappearence. Now he seems determined to have this page again deleted. What is his motivation ? There are at least hundreds of pages in Wikipedia that may not meet Wikipedia standard and may be be candidate for deletion. I am really interested to know why User:Ragib has such objections for this page. Misaq Rabab (talk) 12:46, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Please stop lying outright. I have NEVER deleted this article. Please refer to article deletion log if you want to know who deleted the article. And also, please don't make any ad hominem attacks. Thank you. --Ragib (talk) 15:45, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Just want to remind the user UnknownForever that, Primary sources and sources affiliated with the subject of the article are generally not sufficient for a Wikipedia article. Please include more appropriate citations from reliable sources. Thanks. --Ragib (talk) 03:38, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, I mentioned specific issues with the sources, but will do that again here. "Source #1" is [1], and entirely unrelated to the subject of this article (other than describing Afghanistan-Pakistan relationship). What is the reliability of AfghanAct.org, from which reference #2 and #6 come? This is not at all a reliable source. Reference #4 and #7 are acceptable (from Dawn news paper), but the coverage is minimal, not significant. Compared to other "refs", these two are far better and Dawn is an RS, I admit that.

Ref #5 [2] is a self-published source from HRCPWP, and can't be used to denote their association with the subject ... we need a third party source here.

Ref #7 [3] is from a website of an NN organization from Philippines, with a one liner news brief in its news letter. Not a reliable or usable source either.

Finally, [4] is ridiculous. This is a talk flyer at a non-notable club. Claiming flyer for a talk to be a "reference" is preposterous!!

There you have it. I have specified my exact concerns, and would be happy if User:UnknownForever does not remove the primary sources tag without discussion. Save for the Dawn news reports, the other claims of "references" here is extremely weak, and ridiculous at times (e.g. the talk flyer). Since some editors are convinced about this organization's notability, I urge them to prove it by providing valid, reliable third party sources that cover the subject in non-trivial detail. Your turn. --Ragib (talk) 00:25, 6 June 2008 (UTC)