Talk:Aerial (dance move)

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• Okay, this article needs a lot of sorting. Great information, too much, too cluttered.

• First, notes should be removed and placed on a discussion or project page, not in the body of the article.

• I personally wouldn't describe a dip or other stylings and tricks as an air step. I would describe an aerial step or air step as an assisted lift in which one partner leaves the ground AND the partners lose contact for a few moments. Separate artilcles?

• Sexist language should be changed (or at least explained).

• Needs to be copyedited into the style of an encyclopedia.

• I was going to link Frankie Manning here. Maybe that should be linked to a separate article on Lindy Aerials?

Quill 01:13, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)

PlainJane 06:29, 20 April 2006 (UTC) I have done some preliminary tidying, but I don't know enough to edit for content. I have removed the 'to do' list and added it below.

[edit] To Do

• Add details for spotter placement for every trick
• Update to discuss the importance of timing, momentum, and understanding for each trick
• Add "prep" positions for each trick, including "set up" positions -- things which can be practiced without spotters
• Move "how to do aerials safely" stuff to the top of the page.
• Names: Dancers call moves by many different names, use most common, not merely descriptive.
• Big Bea's whole name.
• Frankie Manning's first partner.
• Bases lift with their whole body.
• Questions: Who did the second aerial? What was Frankie Manning's second aerial? Did aerials evolve in an arms race?
• Frankie's Chase:
• Neck Support: Girl leans back.
• Ubersteiger: This can be done from both directions. The flyer leans back,

or squats down, and the lead steps over her body. This can also be done from a side-lean.

• Lone Aerials: Emphasise the signifincance of aerials in breakdancing and gymnastics without the need of a partner.

[edit] Rewrite

I'm planning to do a major rewrite of this article within the next few weeks. I intend to make the article conform to Wikipedia's quality standards, which will involve the removal of most of the current content. If possible, I will also rename the article to Aerial (Lindy Hop), because it is specific to that dance, and because I don't have sufficient knowledge of other dances. I most likely will not include a list of aerials -- that may be more appropriate for a separate "list" article.

--Michael Richters 03:24, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Bracketed additions in titles of pages are only used when there is more than one meaning of the word, and are usually not done as specific as possible but rather wider term are used. IMHO the current title are better, but I do not find it a big deal. // Habj 18:57, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

... or maybe just "aerial (dance)" would be even better? I completely agree it should be made more clear early on in the article that it is a lindy phenomenon, though. The typical place for doing that would be in the article's first sentence. Good luck with your rewrite! // Habj 19:06, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree that it is desirable to use a wider, rather than narrower scope. In this case, however, I believe "Aerial (Lindy Hop)" would be the correct scope. I do not believe the term "aerial" is used commonly to describe motions used in any other dance. I don't believe West Coast Swing dancers use the term to describe any of their tricks, which are mainly lifts and drops. It is worth checking with Rock & Roll dancers, who might use the term, though I believe the term "acrobatic" is used instead. Ballet dancers may do some things that could be called "aerials", but again, I do not believe they use the term, and such movement bears little resemblence to the tricks used in Lindy Hop. In any case, the current article is confined to Lindy Hop aerials, and my revision would be similarly constrained. --Michael Richters 02:23, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

My opinion is to keep the article name as it is. The purpose of the parenthetical title is primarily to make the article name unique, not to provide a more detailed description. Even if your rewrite limits itself to Lindy Hop, I don't think that we should restrict other editors from adding content that might apply to other dances. Although I'm not certain, I think that the rules for the Nashville Classic (a predominantly West Coast Swing event) have used the term "aerial" in the past. I suspect that the term is common among East Coast Swing dancers and Jitterbug dancers (although it can be argued that these are subsets of Lindy Hop rather than different dances, they are commonly viewed as being distinct from Lindy Hop). Therefore, the more general the title is, the better. --Cswrye 04:29, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I accept your argument on the title of the article, though if we discover that the term "aerial" is used in another dance form, and has a significantly different meaning, that may be grounds for changing the title of this article to clearly narrow the scope. Furthermore, I have carefully read the guidelines at Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Page_naming_conventions, and I believe that makes it clear that the title "aerial (dance)" would be preferable to "aerial (dance move)" (see the example contrasting "(mythology)" and "(mythological figure)" under "Specific topic"). This argument would apply to most, if not all, of the "(dance move)" articles, as well. --Mike 17:46, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Another reason to prefer "(dance)" to "(dance move)" is that the term "move" is one of various synonyms ("step", "pattern", "figure", ...), and is often not the preferred terminology in a dancer's lexicon, particularly in dance forms with a long history. (For example, Frankie Manning usually uses the term "step" (thus "air step".) --Mike 17:53, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm with your reasoning on the disambiguation; "dance" is preferable to "dance step", so I'm voting for that name change now. If the article gets to be too big, we can split it up later on, but let's wait until that happens before doing separate articles. By the way, I commend you on reading the Wikipedia guidelines so quickly. Many new editors don't. --Cswrye 20:54, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm being bold and porting most of this article to Wikibooks today or tomorrow, as almost all of the article is a how-to guide. Subsequently, it will contain a link to Wikibooks section on Aerials, and the text here will be slashed to remove non-encyclopedic content. Please help reorganize the leftovers (or put things back in you feel strongly about)!--Will.i.am 20:23, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Imported and ready to go will.i.am... good to see you again! --SB_Johnny|^talk|_books 21:27, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notice of import

A copy of this article was moved to wikibooks using the Import tool (with all revisions). If this article was marked for copy to wikibooks or as containing how-to sections, it can now be safely rewritten.

If contributors are interested in expanding on the practical information that was in this article, please do so on the wikibooks side. For pointers on writing wikibooks, see Wikibooks:Wikibooks for Wikipedians. --SB_Johnny|^talk|_books 21:26, 20 November 2006 (UTC)