Talk:ADX Florence
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[edit] Media Tours?
It says that on Sept. 14th, media was allowed in for the first time. I think this is in reference to the 60 Minutes airing, which did not however get inside of the prison, it only showed a couple videos of the inside. The subtopic, "Reporter's first-ever tour", contradicts the sub-topic "Media", in that one states that media has never been inside, while the other suggests it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.30.95.62 (talk) 14:15, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Copied Content
Someone is Plagiarizing someone here...this page and the "ADX Florence" page on answers.com are identical http://www.answers.com/topic/adx-florence
DevoutHeretic 00:58, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, answers.com takes its content from Wikipedia (not the other way around). Under "copyrights", they properly credit Wikipedia and cite the licensing - "This article is licensed under the GNU Free Documentation License." -Aude (talk | contribs) 01:08, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
My bad, please dont kill the noob DevoutHeretic 01:18, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
- No problem. See Wikipedia:Mirrors_and_forks for more details. -Aude (talk | contribs) 01:38, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
I did suspect answers.com was taking from Wiki, and not vice versa....I'm also glad to see a proper citation Next time, I'll scroll all the way down. DevoutHeretic 06:49, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Eric Rudolph
I was just wondering if it had been confirmed that Rudolph will be going to do his time at Florence? I hadn't heard anything one way or the other about where he was going.
JesseG 19:34, July 23, 2005 (UTC)
According to bop.gov, he's there:
[edit] Human Rights
Anybody else not really bothered about human rights for murders, rapists, etc. ? --Willrobbo 08:06, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
- No, I'm afraid you're pretty alone in your inhumanity. (Bjorn Tipling 08:38, 13 April 2006 (UTC))
- The prisoners could, of course, not attempt to kill other inmates or guards and thus not require being put into a prison like this one. But, I suppose in this day and age, people are no longer required to take responsibility for their actions.
The USA makes the prisons of the Spanish Inquisition look like holiday camps...Truly the world masters of scientific inhumanity...Isn't life in solitary equivalant to torture? But maybe the USA will indeed bring back thumbscrews and the rack, in time......Colin4C 19:14, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- Most Americans consider ADX Florence to be relatively humane. This is the country is where three-strikes laws have put away people for 50 years for stealing videotapes, where the Controlled Substances Act mandates a minimum sentence of 55 years for selling marijuana, and where capital punishment is so popular that the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of California, Rose Bird, lost her job for daring to oppose it (I personally support it, by the way, but I agree with opponents that there should be stricter due process requirements). The really amazing thing is that compared to the majority of countries in the world, we are still a leader in human rights (we were the first to provide public defenders and to routinely remind criminal suspects of their right to remain silent).--Coolcaesar 19:20, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Yes, but consider, which of these do you think is most humane: 1, You are incarcerated in some overcrowded, overheated Mexican hell-hole, with terrible maggoty food, overun with vermin and are flogged by sadistic guards on a routine basis. 2, You are put in solitary in an an air-conditioned antiseptic concrete box for the rest of your life with no hope of parole.
Personally I think scenario number 1 is more humane and less sadistic than scenario number 2. So maybe the USA can spare the rest of the world lectures on human rights.... Colin4C 19:55, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
- Uh, wait, so you think institutionalized beatings are more humane? Ford MF 18:55, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
It's interesting to see that the "criticism"-chapter in the english version of the article about the ADX Florence only mentions a lack of security in that prison. The German version for example does not mention this kind of criticism, but it does mention that the conditions for the prisoners are to be criticised (isolation, cells without windows...). Klaus
- It is easy to criticize something when you don't see the purpose of it. You have to take into account that the people sent here, they have no remorse, they have no feelings. What good is it when a prison inmate murders three of his fellow inmates and gets a life sentence, which he is already serving?
- How do you punish a man who through his Aryan Brotherhood affiliation orders a hit-job on an inmates civilian father and succeeds? Another life sentence? The prison is their home, it's where they thrive. Organizing into gangs and gaining power is what they now live for. How do you punish them? The only solutions are exile and death. The federal government implements both through solitary confinement and lethal injection.
- Something must be done by the government to protect the innocent and even the convicted from people who kill without blinking an eye. That is the idea of the supermax. With all the world's land taken up, you cannot send a person into exile and deportation has been shown to increase gang numbers (see: MS-13). The people in this prison are essentially in exile. They have betrayed the hospitality of the nation several times and killed or planned to kill innocent and convicted people. The nation responds by giving them the bare minimum to survive, essentially removing all benefits of civilization. The idea is that the convicted break the social contract and become inelligible to recieve the benefits of a society.
- I am not familiar at all with the prison systems of other countries or how they handle prison gang violence, but I would think that they have no better solution to this problem of remorseless killers. When you give them social contact, they band together and murder people inside and outside the prison system with their contacts. So how does a society fight them? The obvious solution: prohibit human contact. SabarCont 04:01, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Removed text
I removed this text, as it is unsourced and seems rather sketchy:
- Others lend criticism to the fact that ADX Florence was also originally built to house prisoners that have posed a danger to other prisoners and guards. Many inmates may be assigned to USP Marion or ADX Florence directly after trial, or tranferred without justified reason. As a result, many of those incarcerated in Marion and Florence are considered political prisoners. This was acknowledged by former U.S. Representative Robert Kastenmeier.
kmccoy (talk) 03:20, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Environmental problems?
What do nearby mining and environmental problems have to do with the prison? — Omegatron 18:30, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. I've moved that section to Lincoln Park, Colorado. -Loren 23:05, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Contradiction
How can the cells be 60 feet underground and have windows pointed at the sky? Is this information fabricated?
- I don't know when that got in there, but I've removed it. — Rebelguys2 talk 09:28, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
The facility isn't underground; it just has no wall-based windows. It sure feels underground to walk it, and because it is built on a hill, entry is through a downward stair, but it is not actually "dug in."natcase 949pm, Nov 8 2006
[edit] Pictures
It would be interesting to have more detailed photos of the compound than the 213x127 (4096 bytes) current image. 66.253.36.140 10:35, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
- I found some pictures on the design firm's page. I doubt we'll be able to find too many more in public. Jxyama 08:29, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Under the External Links theres seems to be a empty bullet point which I can't find in the code if someone wants to fix Highlandlord 17:29, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
- On the ADX Florence page of list of prisoners before you get to the prisoner whole list who the hell is Matthew Donvito (MySpace stalker) did you just pull that out of your ass! If its possible please include a link like a article to go with it , for those of us that dont know! The Vagabond
[edit] Bed Numbers
I suspect the number of beds may be inaccurate. In the report released by CNN, it says the prison has 490 beds, with approxiamately 430 currently occupying, maybe more. Does anyone have more information on this? -Cs92
- Well, in the prison's own weekly population report, updated 11/9/06, there are currently 468 occupying, although it doesn't say total capacity, probably because prisons, even maximum security prisons, are often able to smush in a lot more inmates than it was originally designed for.
- Anyway: google search for FLORENCE ADX 490 BEDS yields 259 hits. Google search for FLORENCE ADX 562 BEDS yields 155 hits, most of them seeming to be clones of Wikipedia. I think the 490 number is more reliable, as it has appeared in a couple Associated Press articles lately about the understaffing at ADX. Ford MF 05:25, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sept 2007 WaPo article about ADX Florence
Registration (free) might be required.
LDH 11:31, 30 September 2007 (UTC) Update, it's here too:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21043739/
LDH 12:14, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Riots
This story may be noteworthy: http://www.coloradoconfidential.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=3702 Ormaaj (talk) 11:46, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
