Talk:Advanced Chess
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I know little about chess and I don't doubt that Gary Kasparov came up with his idea for Advanced Chess independently, but just fyi he's not the first person with the idea. Sci-fi author Vernor Vinge had a main character in his 1984 book "The Peace War" who plays in such tournaments, and in his infamous 1997 paper on "the singularity" as he calls it, he suggests people start particpating in these types of tournaments. I'm a Wikipedia newb so I'm not sure what changes to this topic this information would warrant, if any. I just think Vernor Vinge deserves some sort of honorable mention for this concept. :) -- Nick Bousman (singe@ix.netcom.com) 17:02, 24 Mar 2005 (PST)
- It's interesting trivia, but I think that Advanced Chess gained its popularity because of Kasparov's independent introduction of it. It wouldn't hurt to mention that somewhere in the article, though. --Malathion 23:11, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Done. --IanOsgood 19:09, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Plan
I noticed that the article links to a Plan article that does not mention chess, but instead the concept of a Plan form more generic sense. While there are obviously many ideas in the article that would also appear in one about the conept of a "plan" in chess, it might be confusing for someon who follows the link form a sentance that (rightly) implies that the term is used for some chess specific meanning. So, I would be intrested in suggestions if people think we should:
- Add a section to the artile on Plan mentioning the more specif usage in Chess.
- Create a Plan (chess) page and disambiguate the two pages.
- Do nothing?
I could give either of the first two a decent start but being only about a 1400-1500 player myself it woudl probly be best have have some help with the details. In anyevent I though I would see if anyone wanted to discuss it before I changed anything. Dalf | Talk 00:25, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Frankly I'd prefer to simply remove the link to the plan article. I'm not sure why it is necessary to clarify what a "plan" is on Wikipedia anyway. You don't see people linking to articles on a yet, or at least I hope. --Malathion 23:11, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Hash tables?
Coming from a computing background, I find this statement perplexing:
- having built-in hash tables for endgames,
What sort of "hash table" allows a computer to play a good endgame? Are you saying that it actually maintains a large database of endgames that's indexed using hashing? I was under the impression that in the endgame the computer relies primarily on search algorithms such as alpha-beta search on game trees. Deco 07:51, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- My understanding is that for end games with less than 4 or 5 pieces (depending on the pieces) databases with every possible move do exist and are used by some of the larger chess engins. A least some of that data could be stored in hash tables, possibly indexed by position. I know a few people who have written chess programs (usually Suicide Chess) and they do always seem to use some sort of hashing for opening books and endgame databases. Dalf | Talk 09:30, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Just poked around and found Endgame databases Dalf | Talk 09:41, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Dalf is right. See computer chess for more information. Simply put, tablebase generators solve chess in reverse, starting with all checkmate/draw positions and working backwards, within a certain number of pieces. The result is that you get a database with every possible position, say, with KRPvKR on the board, and the results of all the possible moves (mate opponent in 20, draw, get mated in 14, for example). This database allows the computer to play perfect chess in any position that occurs in the database. Note that the largest databases that exist on personal computers are 6 piece tablebases, since 3-6 piece tablebases are about 80 gigabytes, and 7 piece tablebases would be about 200 gigabytes I think. --Malathion 23:37, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
[edit] It is a pity that 212.200.200.176 vandalized the page today!
It is no nice to do that. --Eric Guez 22:24, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
- I am that user. I meant to say, this page was obviously put here to advertise CCO (see this: http://advancedchess.netfirms.com/description.htm). Do you know what is CCO and why they go by that name? It is Computer Cheating Organization - just look up "ethical cheating" on Google and all that other Kazinski crap. Also, Kasparov sucks too.
- Have a nice day.
[edit] History
On May 15, Ryan Delaney removed the initial paragraph of the History section of the article. However, I think it is crucial that this paragraph be put back (which I am doing now), as it gives insight into how Kasparov came up with the idea of Advanced Chess. Without the paragraph, there is no history to the first Advanced Chess event in Leon, and this is History section after all. With the first paragraph beginning with the description of the Leon tournament in 1998, readers are left puzzled as to how, why, who and when came up with the idea. If you have any objections to the paragraph, please let us know or try to improve the paragraph, but it is of vital importance that the paragraph stays. Btw, I am the author of the initial article on Advanced Chess.
[edit] copyright violation - help from the more experienced needed
Content was copied from the source above (paragraph Assistive devices --> History) and it doesnt look liko public domain at all.
Dont know what should be done...
132.231.54.1 20:07, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
- I can't find any common text between that site and this one (maybe I just have trouble finding it, if you could point it out more specifically), but even if the content is identical it may have been copied in either direction or been copied from a common source. Copying from Wikipedia is totally okay if our license is respected. The initial version of this page was also copied with permission from a public website about Advanced Chess, which may have been used to inform the cited article. Deco 23:55, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] kasparov vs the world
although not strictly speaking a major man vs machine game that he played, is still similar to one and perhaps should be mentioned? Mathmo 15:00, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah, it probably should. It would be easy to argue that it was a example of Advanced Chess, because the rules explicitly allowed computers on both sides. Rm999 04:31, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
