Template talk:Adult bio

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[edit] Creation as Merger

This template was created by including all fields from {{Female adult bio}} and {{Male adult bio}}. While I have included all the fields in the creations of this template, I do not believe all should be included. I support the future removal of questionable fields such as "natural bust" and "blood type".

Note: Female adult bio used the word "photo" while Male adult bio used the word "image" for the same field. While this template suggests using the field "image", it is backward compatible with the "photo" field. Neitherday 15:28, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merger and Redirect Proposal

I propose Template:Female adult bio and Template:Male adult bio be redirected here. Neitherday 15:31, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Why? As you note, the two templates do not have the same fields. That seems to be a strong argument against merging them. What are your arguments for merging them? --AnonEMouse (squeak) 15:51, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
The only field that doesn't apply to both males and females is "natural bust", which should arguable be removed anyway. The only field name conflict is Image/Photo, which is easy to deal with. Why is there a need for two separate templates? Neitherday 16:03, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
As far as why the merger is necessary: Having one template standardizes how porn stars are treated in wikipedia. There is no reason to treat female porn stars differently than male porn stars. Neitherday 16:06, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
With respect, I think you haven't actually used these templates in many (or any?) articles, otherwise I believe you would have noticed some more key differences. The male template's "measurements" parameter becomes one measurement, penis size, which would look rather odd on a female porn star's infobox. Conversely, male porn stars are never described by their bust-wait-hips measurements, or the size of their bust, while for female porn stars, these are fairly standard, most official stars' web sites display these measurements. The male template has a blue background, the female one has a pink background. The Eurobabeindex only lists female porn stars, but that's less important, I guess. If you can manage to make the template reflect these differences, we can merge, but not otherwise. --AnonEMouse (squeak) 16:51, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
The "penis size" can still go under "measurements", as it does in this template. The "measurements" field does not enforce any format or specific measurement. Changing the displayed title from "measurements" to "penis size" seems a bit easter-eggy even in the male template. The Eurobabesindex field will only show up if it is used, although I question if the index is notable enough to be included at all as it doesn't seem notable enough to have it's own article. There is no need for different colours for men and women.
If you test this template out by copying the template from a male or female porn star to a sandbox and removing "male" or "female" from the template name, you will see that there is no change other than the words "penis size" now read "measurements" and potentially the colour (this template now uses pink, but that is very easily changed).
Does that adequately address your concerns? Neitherday 17:10, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and provided examples below. Neitherday 17:38, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Not addressed. But thanks for adding the examples.

  1. You picked a male template without penis size. Had you used one with, the difference would be obvious, as it would read Measurements, though providing one measurement, and would not link to Penis size.
  2. You'll notice the IAFD link for Ron Jeremy provides distinctly different results when followed from the first template, and from the second. This is because the second uses gender=f, which he isn't.
  3. The color pink and blue are gender associated. See Pink#Pink_in_gender. When associated with males, the color pink can imply homosexuality. See Pink#Pink_in_sexuality.
  4. My gosh, we don't have a free licensed picture for Annie Sprinkle?!? That's a crime! She's one of the few people I'm almost sure would be happy to provide one. Off to the email! :-)

There is a famous quotation about equality in the workplace, sometimes attributed to Gloria Steinem [1], sometimes Florynce Kennedy [2] that starts with: "There are very few jobs that actually require a penis or vagina." Pornography is clearly one of those jobs. --AnonEMouse (squeak) 18:05, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

That said, a merger isn't impossible, you'd merely have to add a "gender=" parameter, and make those parameters that are different between the two templates conditional upon it, and then make the redirects from the existing templates set that parameter. If you do that, I won't mind. But you have to do it. --AnonEMouse (squeak) 18:07, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
I've made the changes and added the parameters you requested. How do you make a redirect set a parameter? Neitherday 19:23, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Hmm. :-) Good question. I guess what I probably meant was that the existing templates could invoke the common template, with gender added, something like 
{{adult bio|name={{{name}}}|gender=male|image={{{image}}}|caption={{{caption}}}|...}}
but I haven't tested it ... er ... is that my mother calling? Must dash ... :-) Good luck! :-) --AnonEMouse (squeak) 19:41, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I would definitely merge them to make it gender-neutral. Then add section for including gender. 71.139.16.171 (talk) 00:56, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Examples

Without changing any attributes or fields, this is how the templates would look after redirecting. I've used the bios of well known stars Ron Jeremy and Annie Sprinkle as examples. The first template for each is before redirect, the second template for each is what would show up after redirect.

Adult bio
Ron Jeremy at a movie premiere in October 2005
Birthdate: March 12, 1953 (1953-03-12) (age 55)
Birth location: Long Island, New York, U.S. Flag of the United States
Birth name: Ron Jeremy Hyatt[1]
Height: 5 ft 6 in (1.68 m)[2][3]
Hair color: Brown
Adult bio at IMDb
Adult bio at IAFD
Adult bio at AFDB
Adult bio
Ron Jeremy at a movie premiere in October 2005
Birthdate: March 12, 1953 (1953-03-12) (age 55)
Birth location: Long Island, New York, U.S. Flag of the United States
Birth name: Ron Jeremy Hyatt[1]
Height: 5 ft 6 in (1.68 m)[2][3]
Hair colour: Brown
Adult bio at IMDb
Adult bio at IAFD
Adult bio at AFDB
Adult bio
Birthdate: July 23, 1954 (1954-07-23) (age 53)
Birth location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Birth name: Ellen F. Steinberg
Eye color: Hazel
Hair color: Brunette, red, bald and other
Natural breasts: Yes
Official web site
Adult bio at IMDb
Adult bio at IAFD
Adult bio at AFDB
Adult bio
Birthdate: July 23, 1954 (1954-07-23) (age 53)
Birth location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Birth name: Ellen F. Steinberg
Eye color: Hazel
Hair color: Brunette, red, bald and other
Natural bust: Yes
Official web site
Adult bio at IMDb
Adult bio at IAFD
Adult bio at AFDB

[edit] blood?

what in the world does Blood mean? Kingturtle (talk) 18:42, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

See Template talk:Female adult bio#Blood. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 18:47, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Request for aditional fields

I believe the fields Piercings and Tattoos would be appropriate to add. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbhp (talk • contribs) 21:58, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Umm... why? We have a good many fields already, and piercings & tattoo information would fluctuate too much. I can see additional fields being useful (for instance, breaking the image field out into Image and Imagesize similar to how Infobox Actor does it) but not those two. Tabercil (talk) 03:07, 29 May 2008 (UTC)