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[edit] An example of google adcode???

Do we need to put something like that? as in this is how it lloks

<script type="text/javascript"> </script> <script type="text/javascript" src="http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js"> </script>


--Coheed56 (talk) 12:07, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] XHTML validation

Google currently revamped the Adsense code and it does validate as valid XHTML now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.79.95.148 (talk) 15:16, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] about.com

Why no mention of Adsense being created by about.com and sold to google? 24.215.162.119 (talk) 13:10, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] adsense site

could you consider adding this site to the external links ?it is really informative on the subject

Link removed. Goes to a picture of male nudity. Real classy.

[edit] Payment

This doesn't have the most important info: how much money do you get from them? How many hits does your site have to get for it to be worthwhile? — Chameleon 01:16, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It is against the Google's TOS to tell that.

Google will not allow clients to give specifics, but in general, it depends on the type of site, traffic generated, etc. I have a game site that has been up for more than a decade, which I maintain for fun. It receives several hundred hits per day. It's adsense revenue is less than $5.00 per month. I have am article site, designed specifically to take advantage of adsense revenue. It's been up less than a year, and receives comparable hits to the game site, but earns about $5/day. The difference is one is designed to take advantage of adsense, the other is designed to just be fun to visit. They attract different keywords. A click on the gamesite generates 1-3 cents. A click on the article site generates 1 cent up to five or six dollars. There are many, many, articles on adsense on the web.

'worthwhile'-ness is a point of view, and thus a moot issue for wikipedia. Also, it's no longer against AdSense TOS to talk about earnings. Eclipsed 20:30, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Although 'worthwhile'-ness may be a point of view issue, it might be helpful for someone to include the sort of facts which could allow someone to determine for themselves whether it would be worthwhile for them to take these ads. --Oolong 14:44, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm not an expierienced Wikipediaer (Or something) so I won't try and add it myself, but I'll tell you all so someone else can add it, one click can get about 2c-15$ USD, depending on how much is payed to have the ad up. (it's a percentage, but the percent is unknown) --PokeOnic 18:07, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

And what about payment for 1000 impression? 83.77.161.178 21:26, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

eCPMs range from pennies to several dollars depending on the site. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.87.22.207 (talk) 09:32, 22 January 2007 (UTC).

ordinary eCPM(Effective cost per 1000 impress) is generaly 1$-20$ Upperlimit varies majarity fall in 1$-10$ group Coollion321 18:01, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Warnings for AdSense Publishers" (now "Criticism of AdSense") section

From 61.149.36.253:

Google has been notorious to disable AdSense publisher accounts without notice, citing "invalid clicks", without shown proof or specific reasons why a publisher's account was disabled. Google also refuses to payout any earnings for accounts that were disabled, regardless if the clicks were valid or invalid, again, with no proof or investigation. Additionally, there is no method for a publisher to contact Google, except for a web form that is always answered by an autoresponder. Publishers must also be warned that an attacker can run a script with 3 lines of Perl code and disable any AdSense account in minutes. This lack of due diligence on Google's part, and Google's unwillingness to responed to affected publishers has many webmasters and publishers up in arms. A quick search of the web for the terms "disabled AdSense" or "boycott google" will turn up hundreds of examples. Advertisers should also be weary of Google's pay per click AdWords advertising, considering many of the banned AdSense publishers routinely "click for fun" on AdSense ads in retalliation to Google regarding it's policies. Besides, it is still unclear to the public if Google really returns the remaining funds in disabled AdSense accounts to relevant advertisers. Advertisers interests may be undermined in such black-box operations.

Can anyone back this up with some references and/or hard numbers? I don't see very much in the way of concrete evidence. æle ✆ 22:42, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

This happened to our own site only last month (which is why I'm visiting this article, because this matter IMO needs more coverage). Our account was disabled for "invalid clicks" with no details given. After a thorough investigation on our part (Google refused to disclose any information that would have helped us narrow it down), we determined that one or two forumites had taken it upon themselves to randomly click on ads every once in a while, with the intent of helping the site out. This was done without administrator permission. We replied to Google with a joint email that the admins worked on, as a team, to make sure it sounded polite, clear, and through; and we did this for each email they sent us. We received a total of three emails from Google during this process, all sounding very much like form letters and giving no indication that they had considered or even read our defense (other than the cryptic "after reviewing the additional information"). Finally they flat-out denied our appeal and prohibited us from contacting them again.
At no time during the process did they offer any justification for any action they took, or any indication that they were reading our correspondence. They never answered any questions we asked them. We felt like bugs on a windshield. 204.145.242.1 21:30, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Request: I would like to request content on prohibited use of Google Adsense in depth, for example, promoting sites that contain Google Adsense using autosurf, and whether it is accepted to promote blogs with Google Adsense using services such as blogadvance, blogmad and blogexplosion

I had my AdSense account disabled without warning and was given an autoresponder message that it was due to clickfraud. I was not allowed to even discuss the matter, and never even got to speak to a representitive of Google. I have never participated in such fraudulent behavior and it is insulting to be accused of this. I have seen numerous reports of similar things happening but unfortunately they are usually people posting on blogs that discuss advertising options. The worst thing about my experience with AdSense was that I never could get in touch with a live human being to discuss problems with my account. I had tried to email them over an issue of ads not displaying on certain pages and never got anything other than automated messages and then when I tried to appeal my account be deactivated I had to deal with the same crap. I am a huge fan of Google in other respects, but this experience has really made me think twice about them. I'm sure that there will be more vocal critics in the future if this type of treatment continues. Sorry I can't provide you more than anecdotal evidence, but at the moment it is the only thing I can offer. Vaginsh 19:55, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

The same thing happened to me and all my sites. Disabled with no chance of appeal, lost about $150 woth of revenue. I emailed several Google times but they just said they could not discuss it. It appears that either my name/address or websites are on some kind of block list now. Because I recently tried signing up again and i was not approved. Because my approval was unsuccessfull I cannot re-apply even with new websites because my two emails @evilmerc.com and @gmail.com are now not allowed to be used on adsense? Awful --Mercifull 10:49, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Payment Method

I would like to know what the method of payment is for google adsense is.. check, credit card?


Google will pay by paypal or check. Their advertising programs are documented here: Google Ad Information GameMan

They also support EFT in several countries, and cheque is available by "Secured Express Delivery" for an additional fee. 24.87.22.207 09:43, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The cost for webservers

I really feel that the math example of how much the millions of requests costs Google, is irrelavant. It doesn't lead you to any conclusions, except that i requires a awful lot of money

  • Agree; it is arbitrary amounts made up with no basis in actual research. The real numbers, as anyone who deals with money knows, are probably wildly different than this utopian estimate. 128.175.205.52 00:42, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External Link Spam

The external links section on this page is constantly altered to include spam. Is there some sort of protection that could be placed on this page so that wikipedians don't have to babysit it?--Geedubber 18:37, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Regarding page protection, "protection" and "semi-protection" are occasionally used, the former in cases of extreme editing disputes, and the later for extreme cases of vandalism by anonomous or new users. Usually, occasional spamming isn't much of a problem to remove, but semi-protection can be placed on a page if it's being attacked by a number of open-proxy/sockpuppet spam-bots. Linkspamremover (talk · contribs) seems to be rather active at removing anything perceived as link-spam, and I also have this page and a few others on my watchlist, so I can pick up wherever Linkspamremover leaves off, and it isn't too much of a bother. — TheKMantalk 18:54, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blocking

What does everyone think about including info on how to block Adsense ads from displaying? Alternately, perhaps the page can link to the pages on ad filtering or the hosts file.

[edit] External Link

I think this link should be kept in the external links section: www.discussitonline.com DiscussItOnline - Community about improving AdSense Performance

Rather than adding a link to your personal website, consider adding content to this Wikipedia article. The thing with this page is that it attracts spam links and "example" websites. Such links are discouraged and will often be removed on sight. — TheKMantalk 15:55, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gooooogle

can anyone explain why some adsense blocks have "google" headings containing more than 2 o's? Goooooogle

Hmm, perhaps so it's more eye catching? I've also heard that it was some sort of test by Google. Not entirely sure though. — TheKMantalk 16:00, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Is number of o's specified by the user or automated? If automated, how so? Random or parametric? etc.

Six O:s for targeted/relevant ads. Two O:s for random untargeted ads. http://adsense.blogspot.com/2006/02/gooooood-question.html 81.229.109.4 20:04, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

  • That may be true, but your reference doesn't say that. 128.175.205.52 00:44, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Creepiness

What about something about how creepy it is to open an email in gmail and see ads on the right side of the screen for something mentioned in the email?

[edit] bid increment above what?

"Additionally, for any given click received, advertisers only pay one bid increment above the second-highest bid."

I don't understand this sentence. --Gbleem 13:50, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Can This Blog Be Added To The Main External Links?

Hey Fellow Wikipedians

I believe this blog Adsense Success should be considered to be added to the Main page. Why? This Blog Gives great advice to anyone who is trying to use google adsense to make money for their website or weblog. Its all free advice, and the page is not piled high with spam and affilaite links here is the site adress: adsense4sure.blogspot.com Adsense Success Official Blog

Hi. I don't think it really adds much to the article. Thanks but no thanks. -- zzuuzz (talk) 01:33, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New interesting link on adsense

Hello ,

please can i place this link (http://bo uazza.che zda vid.ath.c x/forum/discussion/15/quelques-renseignements-sur-google-adsense/ Google AdSense tips for beginners] ) on the article ? Its not a spam , its an adsense guide for beginners , and its my own hand writing content , its not copied from another website .

Thanks !

PS : Sorry if my english was bad :S .

It's in French, contains no useful or meaningful information, and is full of adverts. Please read the external link guidelines, which would indicate a negative response. Linkspamremover 19:08, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Google Article On Adsense

This article gives some good hints and tips on Adsense, would make a good link on the external links section.

www.imafish .co.uk/articles/post/articles/124/making-money-through-google-adsense Making Money Through Adsense

Wikipedia is not a link directory nor is it a vehicle for advertising. OhNoitsJamie Talk 16:11, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Competitors (external links)

Why not include external links to the sites of Adsense competitors?

  • http://www.collogic.com is one of them, for instance.
Because Wikipedia is not a collection of external links. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 09:50, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] All about adsense

All about adsense from A-Z. http://adsenseinfo.bravehost.***/ Check it out.

WARNING - Dont use this link! [1] it started downloading tons of stuff to my computer and wouldnt let me out of the page without closing it!!!!!!!!! This really should be removed from this page. 68.211.98.9 03:05, 28 October 2007 (UTC)chiyo

[made link invalid by replacing com with *** Känsterle (talk) 22:28, 12 December 2007 (UTC)]

[edit] Starting a Public AdSense Abuse Database

Please, report AdSense abuse and policy violations to the AdSense Abuse Google Group. Post the violating website and the advertisers that are being cheated. --jeolmeun 11:28, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reference

After much discussion with the page administrator ZimZalaBim I have been given the permission to assign citation to techshout rather than eweek. The reason for the change is listed below.

I have studied all posts on the issue available on the internet. But the original article on techshout had the most detailed explanation in this matter. It also showed example picture of this Trojan running which the eweek article didn’t have. Due to the fact it broke the story and as it contained the most detailed information on the Trojans activity, it deserves to be in the reference rather than the eweek article which has derived all the information from the original source (techshout) and added quotes.

Zack1234 16:19, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

To be clear, I am not "the page administrator" but just another Wikipedian who also is an administrator, and I didn't give (or could withhold) "permission" for Zack's edit. I merely provided advice. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 16:22, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is this useful link?

I've found http://adzenze.googlepages.com It's claimed as AdSense Blog Agregator containing latest entries from Google AdSense Official Blog, del.icio.us/popular/adsense, WordPress Tagged AdSense and another blog. I think it's nice enough because of displaying various intro opinion about AdSense from various source currently. So, is that including useful link can be placed in this AdSense article? Thanks before.125.160.98.238 07:03, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion. I've added a link to the official blog at http://adsense.blogspot.com/ instead. Adding links to unofficial blogs about AdSense is liable to abuse since most of them have self-interests in their own AdSense-related commericial services at the same time. --  Netsnipe  ►  11:07, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Heavy Bias

This article is one of the most biased commercial endorsements in Wikipedia. Frankly, it sounds like it was written by Google, as it is substantially similar to their own documentation for this service. I suggest that someone who is not an avid AdSense user examine this article and decide for themselves whether it reads like brochure. Even the image sample contains a direct sales pitch for the product, as opposed to its logo, or the sample given on the adsense homepage. Compare to the article for AdWords to see a less biased approach. Note I hesitate to edit this article myself for fear of drawing the ire of the many wiki editors who are devoted Google fans. Tpbarber 23:12, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

It's not unusual for articles about a company or service to use that company's own information, as long is the info doesn't violate WP:NPOV rules. I don't see any obvious problems with the content...can you give an example of of a sentence or passage that you feel is biased? OhNoitsJamie Talk 23:20, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
The entire article reads like a very positively worded advertisement. The AdSense service just happens to be paying money to a very large number of wikipedia editors, and also the new wikimedia-related venture search.wikia.com. When a traditional news media outlet runs a story that pertains to a business partner or shareholder, the fact is typically disclosed in good faith. In this case, the premise of editor objectivity may be a lost cause due to a serious conflict of interest. Making the article more balanced would be a good start. Tpbarber 21:56, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
So. . . can you give an example of of a sentence or passage that you feel is biased? Or, better yet, an edit that you think would improve it? 68.163.35.175 00:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
How about the picture: "precisely targeted"... 213.93.203.102 21:11, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism

This section is very ambiguously written, and needs to made clearer. The first sentence makes little sense to me. Who is criticizing who? Who or what is generating the fraudulent clicks?

In the second paragraph, I'm not sure if it's publishers or advertisers who can protect themselves by using click tracking programs.

I changed the 3rd paragraph to make it less couched in the passive voice and negative terms.

Finally, I think the criticism section should be moved above the abuse section. Many readers care about the criticism of Adsense. The abuses described here are Google's problems. Paulgush 07:43, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

click fraud —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.213.51.202 (talk) 18:39, 5 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] External Links Strange/Broken

Some of your external links are strange. http://www.fin/darticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0HDN/is_2000_May_25/ai_62332783 doesn't even mention adsense or anything adsense related. http://www.info/today.com/newsbreaks/nb1220-2.htm is about searching, not content matching or anything to do with adsense. http://www.for/bes.com/1999/10/04/feat.html doesn't even exist anymore! I would recommend http://www.internet-heaven.co.uk/adsense/ as it gives an overview of the system AND all the scams and pitfalls currently associated with it. I know the guy that wrote it, the site has been running for 6+ years so the link will remain for as long as your encyclopedia will! (Disclaimer: can't sue me if it doesn't though) 90.242.41.211 19:49, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

No thanks. We're an encyclopedia, not a referral service for "make money using AdSense" guides, schemes or services. --  Netsnipe  ►  05:50, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Do not link to spams please (I disabled the links)! Acaciz 13:59, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is "customers" the right term?

The article calls people who serve AdSense ads and get paid for clicks "customers". Is that the right term? Usually, the "customer" in a transaction is the one who pays money and gets goods or services in exchange. In the case of AdSense, that would be Google. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.163.35.175 (talk) 00:53, 3 April 2007 (UTC).

They are furnishers of space for ads! Usually customers are nod paid as you have noticed! Acaciz 13:54, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Another possible AS link?

Hi,

I'm understand entirely the need to avoid being SPAMmed with random AS links, but I wonder if http://www.publisher-world.com/list.php?9 would be more useful?

We got sick of the "Where is the bucket of money?", "How far can I push my luck?" and "I got banned, but did nothing wrong!" typical self-serving discussions so attempted to set up something a little more thoughtful.

Note that we don't carry advertising and this is not a commercial venture.

Rgds

Damon (DamonHD at P-W) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.137.27.3 (talk) 09:19, 8 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Credible adsense resources - good links for article?

This is my first comment, so I hope I am doing this right.

From what I can tell, there are two books on the market that have credibility in regards to AdSense. Perhaps a link to one or both of these resources would be helpful.

This one claims to have hit the new york times best seller list.

The AdSense Code by Joel Comm http://www.amazon.com/AdSense-Code-Google-Never-Making/dp/1933596708/

Seems to have favorable reviews and the guy appears credible. Claims to have founded the yahoo games site.

The other one is:

Making Easy Money with Google by Eric Giguere http://www.amazon.com/Make-Easy-Money-Google-Advertising/dp/0321321146/

Not nearly as popular as the first but seems to cover the basics of AdSense.

--Robertdouglas777 14:13, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Banned for life?

I don't see y'all discussing this so I want to raise the issue of Google's adSense customers whom have been banned for life. I'm one of those folks. I was a bad boy and clicked the Google adSense links on my site and went looking to verify that clicks were recorded by Google. I was never able to see a correlation between my clicking and their counts. During this process they decided (rightly so) that I was doing something that they said to never do; QA their work. So now I'm banned for life with no method of reinstatement. DaleEMoore 14:34, 21 July 2007 (UTC) Dale E. Moore DaleEMoore@gMail.Com (I must like still Google I still search and email using their tools.)

I believe users are not banned for life. I said that for completing the article and make it correct. Acaciz 13:51, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A tutorial

Could us add this link to a tutorial: Link to tutorial. I believe it may instruct users to avoid to be disabled!
Acaciz 13:47, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] About competitor

Actually the list is very long and not comprised only of Yahoo. I suggest to suppress this section that is useless (and may change frequently). Acaciz 15:01, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Controversial?

A loaded word like controversial needs a citation and supporting information. This is an encyclopedia. Uncited matl's can be removed from an article until such time as a reliable source is surfaced to substantiate it. If you've read a lot about it being controversial, identify those sources, cite them, and you're golden. - Ageekgal 17:24, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Put another way, though -- every company, product and service has its detractors. Does that make Ford Motor Company a controversial company, breastfeeding a controversial practice, Walmart a controversial store, etc.? Get my drift? - Ageekgal 17:53, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Critisism Take 2

While adding a link for the AdSense program policies, I noticed that the french video site referenced doesn't contain an external link, either. I didn't add it, however, because it references a porn site. Any thoughts on this?

Also, could someone take a look at the section real quick and see if I missed anything in my copyedits? I want a second opinion before removing the copyedit request from the section.

Marc Weil (talk) 20:28, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How AdSense Works

I don't really understand what the fifth bullet is saying:

For referrals, Google manages the subscriptions on a long term, to add money when the visitors either download the product of subscribe, that depend upon the sort of product.

Could someone who is more familiar with the AdSense system than me copyedit this? I am worried if I do I may kill the original meaning.

Marc Weil (talk) 20:56, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Referrals and YouTube Videos

I would like to add a few sections to this wiki entry about Google AdSense Referrals and YouTube videos, I'll be posting suggested edits here in the next few hours for review.

Civicseo (talk) 23:21, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removed External Link

Removed AdSense laden external link 76.197.229.157 (talk) 06:54, 20 February 2008 (UTC)