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[edit] Cemal Gursel's letter
Please can someone reload the letter to wikisource? The link is dead (and commented out by me).--Adoniscik (talk) 18:59, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Menderes' role in retarding reform
Adnan Menderes is the one who interrupted revolutionary changes in Islam religion and Muslim societies.After World War I, under presidency of Ataturk, azan(call to prayer) changed from Arabic to Turkish, the aim was,to change language of all religion fields(books,ezan,praying etc.) from Arabic to own language(turkish) so people would understand their religion much better and there wouldn't be any opportunity for religious fundamentalist. But Adnan Menderes's first thing to do after elected as the president of state was to change azan back to Arabic.So here he is to blame as the source of modern fundamentalists in the world.
- Menderes did a wrong thing but do you really think that his wrong decision effected the all believers of Islam in the world. If your thesis is correct, then Al- Queda and such idiots are on the world's political scene because of Menderes... Come on, he did bad things to Turkey, not to the world. Actually, "bad thing" is a subjective term and we can't use such biased views in the article. Deliogul 12:51, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Surely he's not directly responsible of Al- Queda and such groups but indirectly he is. Let me try to explain my point of view. He interrupted the religous revolution which could affect all the islamic world back then. If we think(actually already known), Al-Queda founded by CIA against communism, I cannot stop thinking that if islamic revolution in Turkey would be completed, would there be really that much foundamentalist supporters of groups like Al-Queda? Or people,muslims, would understand the islamic view in a better way and foundamentalists could be replaced by modern-soft islamic people?
- The person who wrote the above piece sounds as one of the remnants of the old guard in Turkey, who believe that the democratic process, whereby the people of each country decide as to who will run that country thru a democratic election, is not correct and that the military and civilian bureucrats should run the affairs of that country, just like in the old days of their "Milli Sef" (National Chief), before Menderes was elected in the first democratic election in Turkey, on May 14, 1950. Unfortunately, 58 years after those first free elections, we still have these people in Turkey, who are hoping that there would be another military coup d'etat, so that they can cling to power, against the wishes of the people they want to govern.
The reason they hate Adnan MENDERES is because he has proved to the people in Turkey that they are free to "elect" their own leaders, rather than accepting a self-appointed leader who has come to that position with guns in his hands. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.101.70.19 (talk) 21:27, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't think it would affect the Arab world too much, but we should not speculate so much, many things might have happened. Anyway, Al-Quaeda started because 'the infidels' (US, UK) set foot on the 'holy lands' (Arabia, not necessarily Mecca). That is what Bin Laden had been telling to his followers. Check Salafism and Wahhabism. 21:31, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
- 85.101.70.19, I think your comment is subjective because these are your ideas about the true path for Turkey and your understanding of the term "democracy". I guess you would be shocked if I would say that democracy is just the dictatorship of the poor/commons and one of the worst governing types around. When stating such directly, you can find it unacademic or sick but this is one of the main arguments of Aristotle. I hope you understood my point. Deliogul (talk) 21:44, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- Mr. Deliogul, Aristotle lived a few thousands years ago. I assume that you will admit that humanity has progressed since that time. I hope and assume that Turks have also progressed, since they seem to have "judicial coup d'etats" now (as reported in Newsweek two weeks ago), rather than the military coup d'etats. Hopefully the "young Turks" (or maybe I should say the "young officers") have also learned from experience that every time they depose a popularly elected Prime Minister, an even more religious fellow is elected by the Turkish people in the following free elections. Menderes was an attorney-at-law and a graduate of American College in Izmir; after he was hanged in 1961 by the "young officers", Demirel (who was more pious) was elected in 1965: He is from Isparta, a civil engineer and a graduate of Afyon High. After Demirel was deposed and banned from politics in 1980, Ozal (who was much more pious than the previous two) was elected in 1983: he was an electrical engineer and a graduate of Kayseri High. After he died in 1993, Mr. Erbakan (a very religious man) won the 1995 elections; he was a mechanical engineering professor and from Konya. When he was deposed in a post-modern coup in 1997, the current PM, namely Mr. Tayyip Erdogan (a businessman and a graduate of an imam high school) was elected in 2003 from Siirt province, although he is originally from Rize. If he will be banned now (as expected by Newsweek and others), I can bet with you that a much more religious man from an even more eastern province will be elected in 2012 Presidential elections, at the latest. It is apparent and obvious that the more arm-wrestling that the "young officers" do with the Turkish people, the more they lose. They have to learn to obey the commands of the popular vote soon, hopefully before Turkey becomes either like North Korea or Iran. After all, they are the two possible alternatives to the democratic societies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.96.47.123 (talk) 16:02, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Gladio involvement
On May 27, 1960 a military coup under General Cemal Gürsel, supported by Gladio "stay-behind" NATO secret structure, toppled the government, and Menderes was arrested along with some other party members, charged with violating the constitution.
What evidence is there to support the involvement of Gladio? Nloth 05:42, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
- There is no evidence because it is not true. Actually, the coup wasn't designed by Cemal Gürsel Pasha. Army had big problems about Democrat Party so high-ranked officers started to plan a coup. Then Cemal Gürsel take the lead because he didn't trust to other generals(he did this after he realized that there were no way to stop the coup). Finally Adnan Menderes was hanged and the DP period came to an end. This is still a debated issue in Turkey. Many people still think that the only good prime minister that the country had was Adnan Menderes. On the other hand, many people still remembers Cemal Gürsel as a good leader and a patriot. With respect, Deliogul 23:13, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
- this is ridiculous Cemal Gürsel was not the head until coup is over, coup was done by military students and their teachers no general had information about i, after the coup Turkey had the most liberal constitution ever written on history which lasted 10 years —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doganaktas (talk • contribs) 18:02, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Inquiry Comission
I hereby suggest the addition of information about the Inquiry Comission (turkish: Tahkikat Komisyonu) which, called together by Menderes, functioned as a de facto Judicative and Executive entity, thus being in contradiction with the separation of powers principle in a democratic political system. The system under Menderes, holding the National Assembly and thus also the legislative power under his control, had becoma immensely antidemocratic towards the end of his rule. Hopefully, someone has enough time and knowledge to expand the article in this suggested way. Klael 13:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Trivia
I am about to remove the trivia section, because first of all it shouldn't exist, and secondly it only has one piece of trivia. Also, the trivia says he speaks English, French, and Greek. I will assume he also spoke Turkish, but there is no citation for any of this information so I will leave it out.--DerRichter (talk) 16:38, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Istanbul pogrom
Wasn`t him responsible in part for this?? AdrianCo (talk) 10:04, 5 January 2008 (UTC)AdrianCo
Yes very responsible, thats the reason of his execution, not dog case/cat case
also he took 3rd wealthiest country in Europe and left a ruin which still can be applied to Turkey —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doganaktas (talk • contribs) 17:59, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Mr Doganaktas: Turkey was the poorest country in entire Europe when Menderes was elected by popular vote in 1950. Our fathers still remember that the so-called dictator "National Chief" Ismet Inonu had rationed almost everything, including bread. The GNP growth was negative during the Inonu period between 1938-1945. Compare that to 9% annual GNP growth under Menderes in between 1950-1960. Read some econ-101 books before you make comments as above. "Good old days" of "National Chief" are over and you cannot hide the truth that easily any more under state propaganda. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.96.47.123 (talk) 16:47, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
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