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Contents 1 Got an issue... 2 Admin User:Blnguyen 3 User:Lashing and Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Kelvinc 4 Endroit 5 Conversation/vandalism on Special K article 6 More Billy Byars 7 Vandalism noticed on, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Republic 8 72.228.13.225 9 Needs oversighting 10 Thucydides411 disrupting mediation process 11 75.55.51.64 12 Puppet Filled Mess 13 GunZ the Duel, persistent IP vandal. 14 User:Renegadeviking 15 personal attacks 16 Blocked by User Pschemp 16.1 Comments by SCZenz 17 Reporting incident of Wikistalking 17.1 'Bring it on' 17.2 My response 17.3 Admission of provocative efforts by BenBurch 17.4 Dino posting from sockpuppet's IP 17.5 All right 17.6 There is no stalking 18 Spambots on Talk:Lonelygirl15 19 User:Zserango 20 Jordovan 21 Text removal ban: BabyDweezil 22 Nirelan responding to "final warning" for vandalism on his page and his IP page just switched to a new IP 23 Before this gets out of hand 24 User: Tom Voigt using abusive language/making personal attacks 25 Suspected sockpuppeting 26 Lists of names 27 Username (jarbarf) question 28 Repeated speedy nominations -- bad faith or just stubborn? 29 Admins accusing editor of being sockpuppets of every banned user in Wiki history 30 User Hipocrite 31 User Cada2 32 Sarcastic post on user page 33 WP:POINT moved 34 Special:Contributions/Egunthry -- repeatedly re-creating articles 35 "White power" userpage? 36 Self-replicating user 37 User:Jnormanii 38 Wilkinsdn and Tabby32 39 Articles related to Northern Catalonia/Pyrénées-Orientales 40 Anna Nicole Smith 41 User:Shadowbot(bot) is misbehaving]] 42 Egregious personal attack 43 24.79.132.118 44 User:Michelle-Trachtenberg 45 Campaigning for support

[edit] Got an issue...

A user has decided to make it their objective to get all 5400+ highway articles deleted. Just now, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/California State Route 37 got created, which is a GA for crying out loud. Any ideas? --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 04:32, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I closed it, the debate seems obviously WP:SNOW PeaceNT 05:15, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Is there a reason you think this is an attempt to delete all highway articles? Is the user active in other places with this goal in mind?-Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 07:05, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

The point is that California State Route 37 isn't an ordinary highway, but a major highway of the state. PeaceNT 07:26, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Quick! Call SPUI! Luigi30 (Taλk) 14:10, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, per comments left at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pennsylvania Route 999. --Rschen7754 (talk - contribs) 04:19, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Admin User:Blnguyen

This is one interesting admin, his very controversial moves within the past week includes:

• Use of administrator powers with respect to a dispute he was engaged in:
  • Blocking me for 48 hours while not assuming good faith of my contributions. This was my first and it was without any prior warnings. The reason given was that for (correctly) changing the place of two pictures in Stan McCabe, which also accidentally removed a grammar correction; and that I asked for citations. User_talk:Gerash77#Hello
  • Stating a racist and false accusation that "Iran does not play cricket whatsoever", as to why I shouldn't be editing cricket articles. User_talk:Blnguyen#Block_review
• Also see his false assumption about sockpuppetry: User_talk:Blnguyen#Thank_you_for_locking_Belgaum
• Also see Re-blocking a user, after an initial invalid block cleared, see:User_talk:Blnguyen#Frater_Xyzzy

I think sooner or later he has to be reported to the arbitration committee --Gerash77 12:47, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

• Note: Blnguyen (talk · contribs) has been notified as to this discussion. Navou ^banter / _{review me} 14:23, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

• Provide diffs as to accusation No. 1
• Iran does not play cricket whatsoever is not a racist comment.
• Sarvabhaum is a block-evading troll and this is not the first time he has done it.
• You were blocked because you were stalking Blnguyen's contributions and editing the articles he had edited. There was no content dispute, you were following his contributions and trying to confront him for one reason or the other. Please review WP:STALK and Wikipedia:Harrassment.
• If one user is a suspected sockpuppet, then checkuser need not prove it. However, I would let Blnguyen comment on this issue.

— Nearly Headless Nick 14:39, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

• Acc-No#1: Acting in bad faith towards my contributions to the cricket article, and blocking me as a result of my contributions which he did not take kindly of; whereas this dispute should have not been setteled by his use of administrator powers.
• It is as racist as saying a Jew shouldn't contribute to Manual Labour article, or Africans shouldn't edit engineering articles.
• "Stalking" is following someone around, whereas I went to read the cricket articles from Blnguyen own user page. Editting those articles for improving the imagery and asking for citations that I did not find in the cited refs, is not stalking. Even if Blnguyen thought my edits had not merit, he clearly misused his blocking power.

--Gerash77 23:33, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

• For the record, Iran does have the sport of cricket. See [[1]] and Iranian cricket team. .V. _[Talk|Email] 00:45, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

• • Saying that Iran doesn't play cricket is not racist, nor is it a literal comment - it is meant to say that it is of a negligible standard with no popular following, as can be seen from the fact that the first cricket organisation was only registered in 2003. I am not placing restrictions on ethnic or religious groups to edit any kind of article whatsoever, I am simply stating that the fact that Gerash has taken an interest in these two articles is out of place with his pattern of only editing Iran and Islam articles, and that the articles he edited were clearly marked GAs on my userpage, of all possible cricket articles. Anybody is free to edit cricket articles, but the fact that you went and picked out my most thorough cricket articles, both GA, properly referenced etc, straight after reverting me on Mahmoud Ahmadinejad with the charming edit summary "zioattack", and then undoing my self grammar corrections, referencing, prose polishing on Stan McCabe and then tagging things which are already explicitly cited in Irfan Pathan seems to be more than a coincidence. The imagery was not improved. The image is dated 1938, yet you moved it from the 1936 section to the 1934 section, which is even more inaccurate. Besides, it was not an original edit, you simply mechanically undid my edits. Err, no I didn't make any false assumptions about Belgaum, Rashtrakuta, Seuna, etc, see Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Sarvabhaum, and as for Frater, he clearly bragged to his opponents on-wiki that he was evading his block, which had a technical approval at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Starwood/Workshop. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 01:50, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

• • What is amazing is that you still are defending the assumption of bad faith on your part. You say I only edit Iran and Islam related articles, which is totally false. While surfing wiki I try to improve any article, including those that are so interesting that none dares to edit them out [2]. Your statements that Iran's [c]ricket is of a negligible standard with no popular following as to why you are assuming bad faith is so outrageous that is not even worthy of a response. Your comments are very controversial and have no basis in Wikipedia's policies, and I believe its in the interest of yourself that you take some time apart from administration, or be given some temporary hold on your blocking previligies, to elevate yourself to standards expected from a Wikipedia administrator. --Gerash77 03:41, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:Lashing and Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Kelvinc

User:Lashing appears to be unsigned IP 209.29.23.243, which has been doing numerous POV edits on CityPlace (Toronto), Income trust, and Stephen Harper. My recent revert and request for him to stop accusing editors of being Concord employees has apparently riled him into filing an RfC against me, but curiously enough he didn't follow through with posting the request in the appropriate page! Since I'm not actually filing an RfC against myself, I thought someone can look into it from here.  ;-) Kelvinc 21:28, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Nah, I think I will file the RfC against myself. I'd like to see justice served. Kelvinc 03:27, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Endroit

If you look at Endroit (talk · contribs)'s contribs he seems to be engaged in creating every possible territorial dispute template and slapping them on every possible related article, all with edit summaries inviting comments on one particular TfD. I swear to God I have never accused anyone of this before, but this is the clearest example of WP:POINT I have ever seen. --Ideogram 00:30, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Note especially from the discussion he is trying to get one territorial dispute template deleted and in order to make his point he is creating all possible territorial dispute templates and slapping them everywhere. --Ideogram 00:38, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

The templates were added, per TfD discussion for {{Territorial disputes involving Japan}}. It started out as a template which singled out a particular country: JAPAN. Per discussion in the aforementioned TfD, people suggested that the template does not violate WP:NPOV, and encouraged everyone to create similar templates for other countries. If there is any reason to delete any particular country template, please give the reason in the aforementioned TfD, per Wikipedia procedure. If an admin feels strongly that these templates are a bad idea, and have good reasons that WP:POINT were breached, let us know also there also. Thank you.--Endroit 00:44, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Trying to draw attention to your little fight by slapping invitations on every article you can think of is a really bad idea. --Ideogram 00:47, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Considering that this is an admin notice board, I guess I should point out that User:Ideogram unilaterally deleted ALL templates in Taiwan and simply explained in Talk:Taiwan that "I hate these things". That is the only potential WP:POINT violation I see. You cannot unilaterally go around deleting templates just because you hate them. Please go ahead an give your reasons in Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:Disputed islands claimed by Japan. Thank you.--Endroit 01:04, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I have no intent of getting into a content dispute with you. I am telling you to stop your disruptive behavior. --Ideogram 01:07, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Now he's accusing me of vandalism. --Ideogram 01:13, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Considering that I was already discussing the validity of a particular type of template in WP:TfD, I WAS following Wikipedia procedures. Ideogram, you have sidestepped TfD altogether and unilaterally deleted templates in Taiwan. You CANNOT delete templates just because you "hate them". Please discuss in the specified TfD, and give your reasons why these are bad templates. Also, depending on the way you delete templates, like you did in Taiwan, I will consider reporting you for vandalism next time. Thank you for your cooperation.--Endroit 01:18, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Template:Territorial disputes involving Japan was nominated for deletion by User:Endroit. He objected to the template because it was the only one in existence at the time, specifically centered around Japan. Firstly, this an example of WP:BIAS, which is not grounds for a template deletion, and he incorrectly considered it as a violation of WP:NPOV. He then created numerous similar templates and added them to a number of different articles. If he had created these templates in the thought that they deserve to exist, one has to ask why he does not withdraw the nomination for the original template in question, the one he still maintains should be deleted. Check his contrib history[3], basically he is creating templates similar to one which he believes ought to be deleted, adding them to articles and specifically mentioning the template deletion in his edit summary. Clear violation of WP:POINT. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 02:43, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Considering that HongQiGong created the first one of these templates, LordAmeth created 2, and I created 4, why accuse only me? If these templates do not violate WP:NPOV as discussed in the aforementioned TfD, where's the WP:POINT violation, HongQiGong? Why is it so bad to create these templates all of a sudden, and what is your premise for accusing me now, after creating the first of these batch?--Endroit 02:52, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

You don't even understand the issue that User:Ideogram brought up, do you? Neither I or LordAmeth used these templates to invite editors to discuss the deletion of the Japan template, a template that you nominated for deletion, and neither I or LordAmeth voted to delete that template. We created those templates as navigational tools. And I had even asked you to withdraw the nomination after you created these other templates, but you refused. Why did you create these templates if you still think the Japan one ought to be deleted? Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 03:48, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Don't jump to conclusions, HongQiGong. I never said that the template should be unconditionally deleted. I said that if the template cannot be salvaged in an NPOV fasion, it should be deleted. We are still discussing how the template can be salvaged in an NPOV fasion. Why withdraw that TfD request when we are having an ongoing and productive discussion? More people are involved now, and that's a good thing.--Endroit 04:03, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

The template is not POV to begin with. It does not comment on the legitimacy of Japan's claims, and it does not state that Japan is the only country ever to have territorial dispute. There is a WP:BIAS problem, but that is not grounds for deletion. It's a problem which, by the way, you and LordAmeth have subsequently solved with the creation of those other templates. Regardless of all this, what you did recently is probably the most blatant display of WP:POINT I've ever seen. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 04:13, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I maintain that HongQiGong's initial creation of a template FOR ONE COUNTRY ONLY (Japan) WAS a WP:NPOV violation as I also stated in WP:TfD. This was in the beginning only, and the situation changed as people got involved and revised the template. Everything was being discussed in a cordial manner, in the TfD discussion.

Then I mentioned that the only way I can support this template was to verify there are no complaints when similar templates are created for Japan, Israel and the United Kingdom, and their rivals PRC, Syria, and Argentina. I went ahead and created templates for PRC, United Kingdom, and Argentina. Subsequently, there was a complaint regarding the PRC template, mentioning that there should be a template for PRC's rival ROC as well, which I then created.

That's when User:Ideogram started this discussion. Anyways, we disagree about the WP:POINT violation.

Will an admin please respond and tell us whether there was any WP:POINT violation here?

If there's no WP:POINT violation, I'd like to go ahead and apply the templates for Israel and Syria as well. Thank you very much.--Endroit 04:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

As much as I believe the templates were ill-advised and non-NPOV in that they singled out a specific state, I think Endroit's behavior has gone way over the line. If another admin concurs I do believe some sanctions are in order. In the meantime please stop creating these templates and sticking them all over the place, you've made your point, now let the discussion on TfD run its course. -Loren 04:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Endroit has agreed to stop for now. Unless anyone else has any further objections I'd like to consider this issue closed.-Loren 05:01, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Conversation/vandalism on Special K article

A few unregistered users seem to be having a converstation via the Special K article, repeatedly undoing reverts of their edits. Is some sort of block or protection appropriate? JamJar 02:49, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Seems pretty much resolved, at least for now -- the page is sprotected, most of the IPs involved have been blocked. I checked the diffs between today's vandalism and Jan 31 (the most recent editing), and there's not much change -- one paragraph that looks alright, and the protection template. Will try to keep an eye on it, but don't be shy about asking for more help if you need it. Thanks. Luna Santin 06:18, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] More Billy Byars

There have been a couple posts here already about the problems related to User:Ballog and Billy Byars Jr. and its afd. Now User:Chapado has appeared and is pushing Ballog's points, but with a gloss of civility. Nonetheless, the writing style is unmistakably similar, and this new user has edited solely these related pages. This is exactly the kind of stuff the infamous User:LorenzoPerosi1898 would do on his pet articles. Just something else I think an admin should keep an eye on as it transpires...-Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 03:35, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Ballog (talk · contribs) Chapado (talk · contribs) LorenzoPerosi1898 (talk · contribs) --Exarion 04:22, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I tried to do that but left out the "|". To clarify, I am not suggesting these guys are LorenzoPerosi socks, I'm just pointing out that the behavior is very similar to the sort of thing a known vandal have done in a very similar situation.-Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 04:33, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism noticed on, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Republic

Dear Sir,

I noticed that under "Assemblies and magistrates" someone has ended the section with "mr. beudet is really large and gay". I am not certain as to how to correct this issue, but I did discover that the IP address of the "editor" is 216.107.203.2. If you go to the history page, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/216.107.203.2, you will find there is more that has been edited.

I rather enjoy the information and knowledge that is shared on this site, it's a shame that others use it as a pathetic attempt to get attention.

Thank you —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.213.112.38 (talk) 06:09, 9 February 2007 (UTC).

It looks like another user has reverted that vandalism already. You can also revert vandalism, see Help:Reverting for a tutorial on how to revert. You may also want to consider registering to Wikipedia. Thank you.--Jersey Devil 06:18, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 72.228.13.225

Repeat Vandals of Anna Nicole Smith and related pages.

-- OverlordQ 06:16, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Needs oversighting

I never know where to put these, but some personal info was pasted here and needs to be removed. I'm not even sure that the information is accurate, which would only make the situation worse if it stuck around. Thanks. --badlydrawnjeff talk 22:02, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Should go to WP:RFO. I'll email them. Cheers! Yuser31415 (Editor review two!) 22:05, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Makes sense, thanks. --badlydrawnjeff talk 22:06, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Looks like the page was completely deleted. PTO 22:07, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

No, Picaroon9288, just deleted the revisions with the private info until an oversight can remove them. Prodego ^talk 22:14, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Arrgh, I would've said that three minutes ago, but there were too many edit conflicts! Picaroon 22:15, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

As Prodego says, I've hidden it via deletion and restoration, and was going to come mention rfo as the permanent solution, but Yuser beat me. PTO, you can check the deletion log to verify that I wasn't going to leave the article deleted. :-) Picaroon 22:15, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Too fast...my brain be dizzy... Anyway, I looked at the deletion logs before Picaroon had undeleted it. My bad :). PTO 22:19, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Revision removed. Wow, these oversight guys are fast :). Yuser31415 (Editor review two!) 22:21, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Please do make sure that in the future, oversights are done by e-mail. In this case, it was done rather quickly, but the private process at WP:RFO ensures that malefactors are much less likely to view the libelous revisions. Ral315 (talk) 07:20, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thucydides411 disrupting mediation process

The Juan Cole page is under mediation, and several contentious topics are being sorted out on the mediation page. All parties to the mediation have agreed in good faith not to edit the contentious sections while the mediation is on-going. Recently, a new user, who is not party to the mediation has appeared on the scene, and after delivering an ultimatum to the effect that he will start unilaterally making changes to the page, proceeded and made those changes, blanking out large portions of the text that were not to his liking, despite being asked by several editors not to do so, but to make his comments on the mediation page, instead. [4][5]. His edits were then removed by several editors, all of whom reminded him that the page is under mediation, but to no avail - he now continues to edit the contentious sections, edit warring while gaming the 3RR rule by making exactly 3 reverts in 24 hours, and a fourth revert shortly thereafter.[6][7][8][9]

Isarig should not be complaining about other users "gaming" the 3RR since that is something Isarig does constantly. Nearly every edit of Isarig's is a revert, and he constantly reverts three times a day, and will report anyone who does it a fourth time even when Isarig started the edit war; more than a few times, I have found him reverting a fourth time at exactly 24 hours and ten minutes (I have reported him for this two or three times and been told simply that four reverts are needed to incur a block). While I share Isarig's concern about changing text that is under mediation, I think his reaction to Thucydides, which was extremely hostile, was unnecessarily provocative and disruptive. At one point Isarig refused to respond to extremely legitimate concerns - concerns agreed upon by other parties in the mediation - and simply threatened an AN/I report. I am very concerned that Isarig seems to use AN/I reports to avoid content discussions -- trying to take his opponent out of play rather than responding to his concerns in the discussion. I feel this is an abuse of wikipedia process.csloat 05:36, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

You are in dire need of reading Tu quoque. My reaction to Thucydides's ultimatum was "You are welcome to your personal opinions, but as you can see, they are hotly contested and this issue is currently in mediation. Please don't edit the contorversial sections on theJuan Cole page while this mediation is in progress" - see this. there was nothing hostile about it - it was a polite request that he not unilaterally edit a page under mediation. You are misrepresenting your true position on editing pages under mediation - you do not share my concern over this, you have encouraged Thucydides to so edit, saying "I don't think there is any harm in removing the entire disputed section until mediation is done". My particpation in the mediation page is well documented, please don't lie about that, too. Isarig 06:15, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Please stop accusing me of lying; as I explained on that page, my concern is about changing the page without discussion, but I don't think there is a harm in agreeing to remove the disputed text until it is no longer disputed. Please see WP:AGF rather than assuming people are lying when you encounter opinions that are more complex than black-and-white. And I consider this quite hostile, not at all "polite." csloat 06:42, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 75.55.51.64

Continued Vandalism of Various pages —The preceding unsigned comment was added by OverlordQ (talk • contribs) 06:26, 9 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Puppet Filled Mess

Hi

Where is the best place to report a string of sock/meat puppets these days? I've been editing as anon for years now, and am not familiar with the current meta practices on en.

I noticed some serious disruption in an AfD. Somebody with checkuser needs to sort this out. Just as my luck would have it, I happen to get into a passionate AfD right after I leave the IPs behind, and now I can't bring this up in the AfD itself, as it has moved to semiprot (as it should be) to stop the puppetry.

Thanks, NetOracle 07:19, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GunZ the Duel, persistent IP vandal.

After this comment from 201.34.85.59 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • WHOIS • RDNS • trace • RBLs • http • block user • block log), there have been many edits to the page, along the same lines, although it's not the same IP, so I don't think I can nominate them for AIV, even though they're most likely socks.

• 1 from 201.34.91.18 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • WHOIS • RDNS • trace • RBLs • http • block user • block log),
• 2 from 200.96.100.237 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • WHOIS • RDNS • trace • RBLs • http • block user • block log),
• 3 from 200.203.67.210 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • WHOIS • RDNS • trace • RBLs • http • block user • block log),
• 4 from 201.34.85.85 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • WHOIS • RDNS • trace • RBLs • http • block user • block log),

and as you can see in their contribs, more than one from most of them. I don't think this is suitable for AIV, 3RR, or requests for prot, really need assistance here, it's getting stupid -- feb^talk 07:29, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:Renegadeviking

I just came across this user's talk page, which is a string of warnings and questions about the copyright status of the innumerable computer and video game screen shots he has uploaded. I do not have as much experience with image/copyright stuff as other admins, so I was hoping you might want to take a look at this user's contributions. A vast number of this user's images have no copyright information, let alone source or fair use details, and many others have incorrect tags, in which the user claims to own the copyright. Please take a look at this. I should be asleep right now. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 07:50, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] personal attacks

I couldn't find a better place to put this, as Wikipedia:No_personal_attacksstates: "Attacks that are particularly offensive or disruptive (such as physical or legal threats) should not be ignored. Extraordinary situations that require immediate intervention are rare, but may be reported on the administrators' noticeboard."

A number of users have been attacking me, I have asked them to stop but they keep doing it. User:Xx236 started calling me a "Canadian Prussian" referring to the bad reputation Prussians have in Poland. My ancestry is not anywhere close to Prussia or Poland, so it is obviously a personal attack. I asked him to not call me that and he made a point to do it again! here. Then when I changed the links on battle articles regarding the Invasion of Poland (1939) to that article's title, it was called "vandalism" by User:Halibutt and User:Space Cadet and deleted. [10][11].

as you can see on User_talk:Halibutt#jadger and User_talk:Space_Cadet#Nomina_odiosa.2C_editio_misteriosa they are talking in some code, referring to their actions against me as "FPS"(first person shooter) which I interpret as ganging up on me. they also call me Corvus Negris Canadiensis and Nomina sunt odiosa. As I am the only Canadian wikipedian that they both have been attacking, I assume this is meant about me.

what is even more intolerable despite there personal attacks and going even farther over the line once I ask them to stop, is what Space Cadet did on my user page and talk page. [12] see User_talk:Jadger#Your_note and User_talk:Jadger#re:jadger

--Jadger 16:22, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

• User:Space Cadet has been warned against WP:NPA. I've asked User:Halibutt not to call content reversions "vandalism reverting" as it is not necessarily a true characterization. I didn't see anythign about User:Xx236 calling you that after you stopped, so I'd suggest seeing if this takes care of it. That said I would urge you to not make changes to the articles in question without first discussing those changes as these appear to be somewhat controversial articles. If you feel the sourcing isn't sufficient or there are other concerns here I'd suggest WP:DR where a Request for Comment or Request for Mediation might be helpful on the content disputes that are apparently happening on these articles.--Isotope23 16:51, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

thank you, but I must mention that these edits were discussed a while ago on talk:Invasion of Poland (1939) and consensus supported me that Polish Defensive War is inherently POV and wrong. the only people who supported the term were the two editors who are now calling me a vandal. What is wrong with calling the article by its actual title anyways? Halibutt calls it counter-productive, I don't see how

--Jadger 17:05, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I understand, but like I said, it would probably be beneficial to open an WP:RfC on the articles in question and mention the consensus at talk:Invasion of Poland (1939) to see if a consensus can't form at the other articles. IMO at least it seems silly to mask an article name with another simply to rebrand it, but that is just my opinion.--Isotope23 17:19, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Note to all involved: I explained why did I label Jadger's actions as vandalism on both his own talk page and the talk page of Isotope23. In short: removing valid sources and then removing relevant information claiming it was unreferenced (while in reality Jadger was the person to delete the reference himself) is exactly what I'd call making wikipedia worse. And making wikipedia worse is... yup, vandalism. //Halibutt 14:29, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

It's not masking, it's simply that we've agreed that the naming should be left up to the author (it's silly to suggest Polish Army took part in the Invasion of Poland, isn't it). And all was fine as long as Jadger did not go on his spree to remove the name he doesn't like and promote the one he does. If he has a problem with it - I'm surely be interested in such a mediation, but so far I'm happy with our previous agreement. But this is hardly related to his edits I called vandalism or his unfounded accusations of personal attacks, as this is a serious issue, while his accusations are not.

Also, Jadger could have asked for some translation if he didn't understand our personal conversation on our talk pages. The FPS remark I made was directed at Space Cadet's usage of a I got your back remark, which made me think he plays FPS games a lot. Really, no need to create conspiracy theories or suffer from some paranoid delusions, there was nothing cabalistic about our small chatter. And no personal attack there either. Sorry, Jadger, but this seems like your own problem, not mine. //Halibutt 14:36, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Halibutt. This edit is vandalism: Jadger has removed a reference and should be warned to refrain from such unconstructive edits in the future. On the sidenote, a user removing references to Nazi war crimes is somebody who needs to be monitored more closely, I believe.-- _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk}  21:40, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blocked by User Pschemp

Could user Pschemp please stop blocking me. I am not a sockpuppet of the user 'Light current'

I have brought the subject up here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AReference_desk%2FMiscellaneous&diff=106666348&oldid=106666121

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AReference_desk%2FMiscellaneous&diff=106662404&oldid=106658675

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AReference_desk&diff=106666518&oldid=106666007

And here on User_Talk:Pschemp#Hello

I provided a list of things I have edited here [[13]] in an attempt to prove that I am a genuine user.

Currently Pschemp is following me and blocking me after every thing I do - and deleting my requests for help.87.102.13.220 21:09, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I have explained to this user multiple times [14] [15] [16] to use {{unblock}} to get the block reviewed and stop evading it with new IP's. I've left the message on the original IP and various other socks. The complaints were removed (and not just by me) because they were posted inappropriately to the ref desk after these multiple message attempts. Plus this user started editing the ref desk almost immediately from the same range (87.102) that LC has been using. pschemp | talk 21:12, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Comment (yes I realise I have logged out again) - This is the first time I have seen the 'unblock' message - All I keep getting is a 'red' page with 'this user has been blocked' on it.

Also I can't currently work out how to use the template 'unblock'.

The reason why I posted to the ref desk was to find out how to complain - that took several attempts - User:Pschemp kept removing my request for infomation on the misc. desk before I could get and answer - how does that help.

Also I have looked at your list of suspected 'socks' of light-current (from Wikipedia:Administrators_noticeboard/Incidents#User:_Light_current_evading_block?

these (all) are my edits: (as far as I can tell without checking each one - all of these are my edits)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=87.102.8.103

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/83.100.174.70

These are not my edits:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/88.109.41.162

Also seeing as you are comparing IP's I have made a small list of IP's I have used on the science reference desk during the first half of dec 2006 :

83.100.250.215, 87.102.32.183, 87.102.32.250, 87.102.32.7, 83.100.138.168, 83.100.174.147, 87.102.36.136, 83.100.174.70, 83.100.254.21, 87.102.8.6, 87.102.8.141, 87.102.3.159, 87.102.4.180, 87.102.13.235, 83.100.132.121, 83.100.250.252, 87.102.4.227

If you can do a 'IP trace' I think you will find that all these connect to the same place. Karoo ISP

See Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Light current especially User:Jpgordon's comments - two of the references connect to Karoo ISP these ones are my edits. I think you can easily guess that the Tiscali UK connections are not mine. I hope this may convince you.87.102.36.25 22:50, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

You need to reconsider. Please take my word on the above edits. In the meantime I need to look at how to use the template. I assume you will respond to this. Thank you for an exciting evening (no sarcasm intended). I apologise for 'evading' 'my' block but I honestly can't work out the template at the moment. Also I did not see the explanations Pschemp posted (mentioned above) until they mentioned it here. 87.102.14.43 21:31, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

If it helps I will assure you that I will not make any further edits to wikipedia until this issue has been sorted out to avoid any further confusion.(no edits except on this section)87.102.14.43 21:36, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

If you hadn't kept changing your IP to evade the block, you would have gotten the message immediately. pschemp | talk 21:41, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I know that now - but at the time I was changing the IP so that I could ask why I was being blocked - I hope you can understand this.87.102.36.25 22:57, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Not true. I told you why you were blocked at the outset. The reply is still on my talk page. You then kept using subsequent IP's to argue about it. I had told you how to appeal it a long time before that. It is not my fault you decided to use 6 IP's to evade the block. If you had used your original IP, you would have seen the instructions on how to appeal. pschemp | talk 00:59, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Let me get this straight: you blocked the User, and when he used anon IP addresses to ask how to appeal, you deleted his questions and blocked the IPs because ... he ... was ... evading ... the ... block? Tell me that's not what you did... --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 23:03, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Nope it isn't. He's been an anon IP the whole time. First, I replied to his original message on my talk page. (Which is still there). Then, I left a message on his original IP telling him what to do to appeal the block rather than resorting to block evasion, and then left messages on the subsequent ones but he changed IP's so fast he never saw them. The questions were deleted because, 1. - they weren't questions, they were complaints and they were 2 - posted on the ref desk where they don't belong and 3 - not all deleted by me. Then yes, I blocked the subsequent IP's for block evasion. The instructions on what to do were sitting there on his original blocked IP the entire time he ran through 6 IP sockpuppets. I had already told him why he was blocked at the outset and how to seek an appeal, he just didn't like the reason and wanted to keep arguing. pschemp | talk 00:53, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

From my point of view User:Mel Etitis has describe what happened to me totally accurately. I have now left a message asking to be unblocked on User_talk:87.102.37.185.

Also given that user:Pschemp doesn't even know which are my contributions yet seems willing to block me based on Quote User_talk:Pschemp#Hello "I see a lot of similarities in style" I would like this looked at. What similarities in style?87.102.7.51 10:21, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

The user:pschemp has attributed my edits to be that of 'user light current' Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Light current eg 83.100.174.70 and 87.102.8.103 even though these are from a different 'provider' than those listed for light current. Quote from Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:_Light_current_evading_block? -

"Checkuser has come back with possible. Someone will need to look at the content of these. If they are obvious socks, they should be blocked. Ok, the word was inconclusive. Inconclusive = possible. pschemp | talk 04:34, 6 February 2007 (UTC) A-hem. That's not what checkuser came back with. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 04:42, 6 February 2007 (UTC) Semantics. pschemp | talk 04:50, 6 February 2007 (UTC) "

So basically User:Pschemp is ignoring what another user "jpgordon" has told them and decided to block me based 'inconclusive'

I would like to ask not only about how to stop being blocked - but how to make a complaint directly against User:Pschemp - In my opinion this is a total lack of judgement.87.102.7.51 10:30, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I have left a message on User:Jpgordons talk page to see if they can help.87.102.7.51 10:45, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

More evidence: Here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Science&offset=20070206064044&limit=500&action=history

You will find my edit 11:55, 2 February 2007 87.102.4.6 In between edits by 'light current', on the same topic.87.102.7.51 11:17, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I have also provided evidence that I have made 'hundreds' of edits on the maths reference desk, see [[17]].87.102.7.51 11:52, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Also here Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Archives/Science/2006_December_18#A_drop_of_water_in_space has an example of me and user:light current responding to the same question. (I am user .83.100.250.252). 87.102.6.170 12:35, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comments by SCZenz

There does seem to be a reference desk editor who uses the same general IP range as Light current, and who makes these edits anonymously. This user has been accused of sockpuppetry before, most recently by Hipocrite (see User talk:SCZenz#Light Current (request from Hipocrite)). As I try to explain in that section, this editor has very different patterns from Light current.

We must be very careful not to block people using Lc's IP range just for editing the reference desk; the editing must be disruptive or clearly in the style of Light current. Although it would save us a bit of headache if this particular user got an account, (s)he is well within his/her rights to keep editing anonymously. -- SCZenz 14:58, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. As pointed out elsewhere, this IP range belongs to a large ISP, so we should take care about collateral damage. Friday (talk) 15:03, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reporting incident of Wikistalking

[edit] Spambots on Talk:Lonelygirl15

I've just had to revert two spambots in quick succession which both posted huge amounts of Italian spam on this talk page, and - looking through the history - it's been happening quite a bit, from a variety of unrelated IPs. Most of the editing to the page in the last few days has been spam reversion, in fact; is semiprotection in order? (IP blocking won't help - this looks like a botnet - and the URLs are too diverse for URL-based blocking to be effective.) Zetawoof^(ζ) 02:44, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

URLs are helpful to see if other IPs had been spamming around. Maybe the article could be semiprotected, but it would not stop them if they are testing it out. -- ReyBrujo 02:51, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

The issue's actually the talk page, not the article. And, as I mentioned, the URLs are too diverse to block - the most recent run used a bunch of sites from a free Russian webhost (hotmail.ru), but previous runs have included hundreds of randomly generated domains. Semiprotection on the talk page will probably fix things, though; all the edits are coming from one-shot IPs. Zetawoof^(ζ) 03:50, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

talk pages are all "nofollow" anyway, aren't they? - brenneman 07:00, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

All pages are nofollow; that doesn't stop people completely, though. Ral315 (talk) 07:21, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

• What about spambots that have accounts?? Semi-protection might not stop those spambots that are registered, as there are determined people out there who will go to those lengths. --sunstar net^talk 10:21, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

• I've only seen one such account and checkuser took care of that. And, of course, WP:BEANS. MER-C 12:40, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

This is why I'd like to see IP based spam blacklists and/or regex {{deletedpage}}s (which I believe Werdna is working on). MER-C 12:40, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:Zserango

This user is repeatedly making changes to a wide variety of pages introducing untrue facts. From their talk page it looks like this has previously been accepted as accidental vadnalism or unsourced comments, but the user is continuing to make these same "mistakes" (some of which could be considered quite humourous if this was Saturday Night TV and not an encyclopedia). This has already been reported as simple vandalism, but apparently is complicated. Cheers Chris Bradshaw 11:46, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not an admin, so I can't do anything, but I'd say this is simple vandalism. He's been blocked several times before, and his last 4 edits are straightforward vandalism - blanking, personal attacks and adding false information. I recommend a longer block. Trebor 12:32, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I have given a one month block. There was an argument last time when he was indef blocked and it was reduced to 24 hours whether he was vandal only or not. He looks vandal only to me. --BozMo talk 13:26, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jordovan

I received this edit from Jordovan (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log). This was in response to a request to "play nice" regarding this edit. I have blocked Alkalada (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log) for a month for continued disruption, Jordovan is apparently a Serbian. I not sure Alkalada can ever be brought around, but Jordovan having that attitude is not at all helpful. Fred Bauder 14:00, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Text removal ban: BabyDweezil

Did I just perform a new admin action? Instead of blocking BabyDweezil (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log) for inveterate edit warring and especially text removal, after several warnings, I've given him/her a "text removal ban" for all articles. Please see my message on the user's page.[53] Here are just a few of many, many examples of the user removing sourced text and/or references, after my warnings. [54] [55] [56] [57] [58] [59] [60] [61] [62]

It's possible that some individual removals are good, but none of them are done in a good way, and the overall pattern is obviously frustrating for other editors, and hampers work on the articles—compare the talkpages. Note also how the same removals are repeated over and over. (If somebody would like to do some 3RR calculations, good luck—I didn't want to muddy the waters with that at the moment.) BabyDweezil has earned a block, in my opinion, and I regard it as merely deferred. If the ban is ignored, he/she gets it, is the way I see it. I'd really like avoid blocking, though, as I take the user to be editing in good faith and with the intention of improving articles. But it was getting so I had to do something. Your thoughts? Bishonen | talk 17:19, 6 February 2007 (UTC).

I have reviewed your note to me and do take it seriously. However, should you take the time to review some of the history, you will find that I have largely been removing egregious violations of Wiki policy, gross distortions of fact, straight out fabrications and the like, but unfortunately, with the opposition of a pair or so of hard core, POV minded, intransigent editors who often inserted the distorted material in the first place. I have discussed all of my changes, and for what its worth, most changes have received a majority amount of support in the discussions (vs the hard core ideologues). Likewise Ive been faced with this bloc working together to restore flagrantly biased and incorrect material, with no more explanation than they arent happy with it being removed. I will try to be more genteel, but please be aware that making sensible arguments and appealing to reason and Wikipedia policies re WP:NPOV and the like generally doesnt suffice vs ideologues. Regards, BabyDweezil 17:46, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

• This appears at first glance to be a content dispute. Perhaps starting dispute resolution may be appropiate. Any type of ban enforcement may will require the support of the community. Regards, Navou ^banter / _{review me} 17:52, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Looks to me like a block would in order - user has been blocked twice before (note: once by me for a personal attack); is clearly edit-warring, including the use of misleading edit summaries; and is POV-pushing as well, calling reasonable content "distortion" (example). I have no objection to the "text removal ban," but you shouldn't hesitate to move to a block if the behavior continues. | Mr. Darcy talk 18:49, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Mr. Darcy, just for the record, you blocked me for one single comment in response to an editor who had been cult-baiting, maligning and abusing me incessantly, and continued to, without any action against him, despite my constant complaints. Just for the record. BabyDweezil 21:17, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm one of the involved editors. The problem with the guy is that he invests like 10 seconds to remove something, and then others have to invest a multiple of this to put it back. In some cases, he even agrees that it is properly sourced, but claims it is "out of context". But instead of taking the time to improve the text or write what is missing, he just deleted. Yes, this is frustrating.

So this "selective" ban is a good idea, because it gives him a chance to improve his manners. There are other editors (members of controversial groups) sharing similar viewpoints , but who are able to work things out without "delete first, discuss later". --Tilman 19:45, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm another one of the "hard core, POV minded, intransigent editors." BabyDweezil continually deletes well-sourced pertinent material because he personally finds it to be "POV". He repeatedly asserts that by deleting "POV" material he is removing "distortion" from the articles (there are several articles involved) and thus restoring NPOV. His idea of achieving NPOV, as demonstrated about 25 times by my count, seems to be to delete everything that he disagrees with.

He also inserts OR into the text in order to identify clearly to the reader that a particular element of the article is "POV".

He has ravaged Cult apologist to the point where it had to be protected. There is zero chance of achieving consensus and removing the block there because he is adamant about his edits being justified. Now he is starting in on Cult. Tanaats 20:15, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Regarding his statement above that "I have discussed all of my changes, and for what its worth, most changes have received a majority amount of support in the discussions (vs the hard core ideologues)." He doesn't discuss the removal of well-sourced material first. Then when he edit-wars and others don't, Talk discussions are then opened by other editors. He does not achieve majority support in the Talk discussions. He has perhaps two editors who weakly support him. However, on Cult he has recently inspired a new editor who has declared his intention of removing all of the "POV" material in the article. Tanaats 20:26, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Despite the protestations that I spend "10 seconds" obliterating Wikipedia pages, the fact is I have spent a good deal of time and effort correcting extensive errors, falsehoods, and outright nonsense in these articles. the 2 editors above are consistently inable to respond civilly to my edits, nor to justify them within Wikipedia guidelines, so they instead have mounted a campaign to vilify me. The loudness of their complaints I believe is in proprtion to the disappoiuntment they may have in having at least a bit of their POV's toned down in the artciles. I stand by all the edits I have made, and am confident they will stand up to scrutiny. The articles were POV pushing horror shows frought with fabrications when I began, so ban me or not, at least they are now slightly improved. BabyDweezil 21:17, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

You could easily get out of this trouble by not "deleting first". The better way to work is "discuss first" / "suggest first". "Be bold" doesn't mean "be bold in deletion". Be constructive, not destructive. The "delete first" attitude not only upsets others, the reconstructing reverts will upset you as well. --Tilman 21:49, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

• Bishonen's idea is a "new admin action" only in that it's a bit of mercy and an attempt at avoiding a block.
• Navou, you refer to the policy WP:BAN, which is about bans in the sense of "formal revocations of editing privileges on all or part of Wikipedia." I can't believe that I yet again have to urge people to know the difference between a block and a ban. Bishonen is using the term "ban" for something different: an informal revocation of the right to perform a certain type of action. To pick irrelevant details out of WP:BAN off the mark. It's a ban on an action, not a ban on a user.
• She's putting a message here to get community input on the new semi-block she's proposing, not to drum up support for a community ban. Administrators block for "I warned you not to do that anymore" altogether too often, and here's Bishonen trying to avoid blocking someone by working out a new alternative. She's saying that she wants input on telling a user, "Don't go around cutting large paths with a lawnmower to fit a point of view." The implied "or else" is "or you'll be blocked." The user is clearly ripe for a block, as Mr Darcy points out, and the user's intransigent response here suggests that he's (Dweazel Zappa is male) dedicated and devoted to repeating this action. He/she is getting a little extra AGF from Bishonen, that's all, and she's asking the rest of the community to comment. Geogre 22:08, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

• Yes, I understand that the user is not banned from editing Wikipedia. I understand that the user is not banned from editing, or further editing a set of articles, or area. I understand the technical aspect of a block; the difference between block and ban. However, if I understood the message correctly, just banned from performing a certain action. If I have applied the definition of ban inappropriately, then forgive me. I understood the potential for this informal revocation to be enforced by a block, if the ban message was placed by an admin who has the technical ability to place a block. Making it a de facto formal revocation. Although the policy does not deliberately define this action, unless I have missed something, I think I applied it correctly. Navou ^banter / _{review me} 22:20, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Then you are on record as disagreeing with it? If so, are you therefore agreeing with just blocking the user, or would you prefer that no block take place and that this situation go to RFC, then RFM, then RFAR? At some point during all of that, I assume an RFCU would have to be taken, too. I agreed with Bishonen's position, myself, because it minimized the disruption without all of that, but I did want to see what others thought. Geogre 22:30, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Not entirely, I would like to see the user providing positive contributions, and the integrity of the encyclopedia preserved. Hopefully both can be served. I do not at this time, see RfC, or RFAR is necessary (and can probably be avoided) and don't understand how RFCU applies (help me out here). My best recommendation would be to talk to the editor about the behavior. Informal mediation may be of some use. DR should be conducted at the lowest level possible, when possible. Ultimately serving the project. Navou ^banter / _{review me} 22:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Geogre, how am I being "intransigent." Because I have my own opinion of the matter? Is that the defintion of "intransigence" here? BabyDweezil 22:37, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

No, "intransigence" is when you never give an inch in discussion, on the principle that failure to contradict you equals losing, while contradicting you equals "making incessant personal attacks".[63] This is not collaboration, it's intransigence and attrition, and I'm tired of seeing it. Please argue in a more civil and reasonable way on talkpages. Bishonen | talk 21:10, 7 February 2007 (UTC).

Update: the extra AGF approach with everybody discussing away hasn't worked. BD has removed the passage in Eileen Barker about Dvorkin's criticism of Barker nine times in the past couple of days, violating WP:3RR two separate times. Four of the reverts were made during a 7-hour span after my "No more non-consensus removals" warning. There was no consensus for these removals on the talkpage, quite the opposite. [64] I don't like these threats of further removals, either.[65] OK, that's it, after all the warning and carry-on: 24 hours for 3RR+ inveterate edit warring+incivility. The user knows about 3RR.[66])—though if this was just a 3RR matter, I would give a shorter block. Any thoughts? Bishonen | talk 23:43, 7 February 2007 (UTC).

Has this editor done anything productive? I've looked a little, and all I see is EW against CON, with a lot of NPA violations and general incivility and POV pushing. I'm looking for ROI, frankly. KillerChihuahua^?!? 09:29, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

WP:WOTTA, Killer. Bishonen | talk 20:08, 8 February 2007 (UTC).

And your point is? *innocent puppy here* I think you're failing to AGF me, FWIW. HTH. (goes off to RTFM.) KillerChihuahua^?!? 14:17, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

KillerChihuahua, I do hope the irony of your use of such a deprecating, uncivil, POV tone in describing a fellow editor's supposed "NPA violations and general incivility and POV pushing" has not been lost on you. It certainly wasn't on me. BabyDweezil 15:25, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

(undent) There is no irony, intentional or otherwise. What you call "deprecating, uncivil" is merely my reporting of findings. POV is an absurd accusation to make here; NPOV is for articles. On AN/I we are being specifically requested to give our opinions, based upon observations, experience, and native levels of intelligence. KillerChihuahua^?!? 17:11, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nirelan responding to "final warning" for vandalism on his page and his IP page just switched to a new IP

After having received a "final warning" both on his own talk page and on his IP at 70.104.126.193 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • WHOIS • RDNS • trace • RBLs • http • block user • block log) , Nirelan (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log) has started deleting material from Dave Winer using a new IP address, 71.244.175.212 (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • WHOIS • RDNS • trace • RBLs • http • block user • block log). All article edits by this new IP have been reverted ([67]), edits by this new IP address to that talk page are signed with "Nirelan" ([68]), please somebody stop warning this vandal and start blocking him. betsythedevine 01:54, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I've done a handful of 3RR blocks and whatnot for these individuals.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 05:45, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Update: The same user is evading those blocks and vandalizing Dave Winer today with the new username Nirelan2 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log). betsythedevine 16:36, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Before this gets out of hand

Ok, this has been on my mind for a while. I think User:MichaelLinnear is pretending to be my sockpuppet. So, he's not, ok? I can do another checkuser or whatever. But don't bite off his head in case he's not, since his activity here doesn't bother me at all. Just don't ban me without asking questions first ^_^ Milto LOL pia 10:41, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Huh? Where? Glancing at his contribs I cant see how (granted its after midnight here :P) Glen 11:09, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

He'll occassionally pop up somewhere where I am. Here, here, here, here, here and here are some examples. One of his first edits was to my talk page, and then he dove right into a couple of articles. He edits sporadically and often popped up to edit the same pages I was and then work somewhat on his "favorite articles" and their talk pages. Again, this doesn't bother me at all, but it does look fishy and I'm just throwing it out there as a possibility so I don't get smacked with a sockpuppetry ban later. Milto LOL pia 11:33, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

That's just what we'd expect you to say! BTW, sockpuppetry isn't against the rules. Sockpuppets that are created to try and skew things or to be abusive are, but sockpuppetry on its own is ok. See WP:SOCK for more. This doesn't really apply to this situation specifically, but I see an opportunity to clear up a possible misunderstanding based on what you wrote above. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 15:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User: Tom Voigt using abusive language/making personal attacks

A Wikipedia user has posted what I consider to be abusive comments and personal attacks against myself and another editor at Talk: Zodiac killer. The user in question is User:Tom Voigt. The section where the abusive comments appear can be found here: 20 A letter to 24.21.173.33, the individual adding links to zodiackiller.com. Can someone please review this and step in to moderate? Thanks. Labyrinth13 16:38, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Suspected sockpuppeting

I would very much appreciate it if someone could do a CheckUser on Biaothanatoi (talk · contribs), 196.11.241.40 (talk · contribs), and 196.11.241.194 (talk · contribs). I suspect that the latter two are being used to create an illusion of support for his position, and to keep him from facing responsibility for the personal attacks being made under the IP addresses. -- Antaeus Feldspar 16:56, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

WP:RFCU is the place to make that request. Durova^Charge! 18:04, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lists of names

Where is the best place to start a community discussion on lists of names within articles? What I am referring to are Category:Given names articles which are not articles but lists of people with first name _______. (jarbarf) 17:12, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Username (jarbarf) question

In light of a controversy of my last username block, I thought I'd drop a note. I've advised User:(jarbarf) to change usernames or risk a block in a few days. The user has made good vandalism reversion contributions, and I'd like to see a name change followup. However, I don't think that "(jarbarf)" is an acceptable username. Please comment if you wish. Teke ^(talk) 05:23, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

How exactly is that an unacceptable username? —bbatsell ¿? ✍ 05:36, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, a jar of barf seems to imply an excretory function. Teke ^(talk) 05:39, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I'll try to restrain my comments, but in my humble opinion, that's a ridiculous application of WP:U (something that has gradually become more and more of a problem lately). That policy is meant to restrict usernames that have an actual risk of being inflammatory. Our use of "excretory" in that policy is a euphemism for "shitting", pardon my French. If my username were "SweatingMan", would you say that it should be banned because perspiration is an excretory function? I really hope the answer is no; please, let's stop the slow creep of that policy to cover nearly any possible name. It's really unnecessary. —bbatsell ¿? ✍ 05:43, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough, those are good points. It's why I posted here. I do appreciate the input, and it's why I took the time with this. Teke ^(talk) 05:49, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't consider this a violation of WP:U.--Jersey Devil 05:58, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry that I don't really have anything to add to this discussion, I just wanted to acknowledge that I'm aware Teke has challenged my username and I think this really silly. That is all. (jarbarf) 16:29, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Any possibly controversial WP:U blocks should probably go to WP:RFC/N. And yeah, I agree that this isn't a violation. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 16:34, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

• It could be "Jarb arf", not "Jar[of]barf." .V. _[Talk|Email] 17:00, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I have withdrawn the notice and apologized to the user for bothering them, and thanks Consumed Crustacean for the point to RFC/N. Teke ^(talk) 21:07, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Repeated speedy nominations -- bad faith or just stubborn?

John T. Reed is a new article; it was appropriately speedied twice before for no content. I started to hang a tag on it myself but did a quick Google search and found two solid articles (on both MSN Money and The Sydney Morning Herald's website) establishing notability. Reed apparently makes a living exposing shady dealing in the real estate world; I don't know if he's legit or not, but his refs show he's notable.

I noted the references on the article talk page and added the refs to the article itself. The stub also has enough content this time to qualify for retention.

A new single purpose user, Jscottccre, then tagged the article with a {{db-spam}} tag. I removed the tag and left a note explaining my reasons on both his talk page and on the article talk page.

He later tagged the article again in spite of this.

I find it unusual that a new user would immediately be familiar with {{db-spam}} 6 minutes after creating his account, but perhaps he's learned the ropes as an anon. I note that the vandalism policy specifically cites cites "Abuse of tags" as a form of vandalism. I'm reluctant, however, to go so far as accusing Jscottccre of vandalism so I've left another, longer note explaining the rules in greater detail.

In any event, I can't watch this article 24 hours a day and I'm not an admin -- I could use some help or advice on how to keep it from getting deleted when I'm not watching. --A. B. ^(talk) 13:35, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

In principle the reviewing admin should check the talk page before deleting and it should not get speedy deleted. I agree with you on notability but the article is nearly a candidate for speedy for shallow content. I'll watch it too, and of course he has 2RRs on the tag already. --BozMo talk 13:51, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Well, whether an article is spam is defined without reference to whether the subject meets the notability guidelines or not, but the whether the contents of the article are blatant advertising. That being said, this does not taste like spam. It is not an overt ad. In addition, it was created by an established user with diverse contributions, so it is not the usual hit-and-run by someone trying to promote himself. JChap2007 13:54, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! --A. B. ^(talk) 19:14, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Admins accusing editor of being sockpuppets of every banned user in Wiki history

I go by the ID User:MinaretDk. I've been accused of being Bhaisaab, I've been accused of being His Excellency, god knows who I'll turn up being next. It seems there are no standards of performance that admins abide by. Dmcdevit accused me of being Bhaisaab, who happens to have been blocked for a year.[69] Last night Bhaisaab came as an anon IP, stated who he was on User:Blnguyen's talk page, and then edited mine. [70] I happened to be around at the time and responded to him. Anyone with CheckUser could've verified that we're two users using different IPs at the same time. Dmcdevit did what any responsible admin would do- he blocked my talk page to bar me from pointing out how shoddy his work is. My point is still rock solid though, which is evident in that Jayjg has moved on to accuse me of being HisExcellency on the very same grounds that had me accused of being Bhaisaab.[71]Should I go through the process of proving I'm not User:His Excellency, or should I just give up and realize that as soon as I'm done proving I'm not him, I'll be "confirmed by CheckUser" of being someone else? Mediocrepeopleshouldntedit 17:39, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

• Note [72]. HighInBC ^{(Need help? Ask me)} 17:47, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Well gee, how far do we push WP:AGF? On your first day of editing - today - you've chosen an inflammatory username, gotten your user page blanked for inflammatory content, and learned all about CheckUser and several noticeboards. Durova^Charge! 18:03, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Please qualify your statements with evidence, or at least good rhetoric. Show that you're actually reading what's being written. My first sentence in the paragraph above was "I go by the ID MinaretDk. My first day of editing was on the 14th of December, not today, and the only thing I edited then was the article Bangladesh, which neither Bhaisaab nor HisExcellency edited. I don't see how my ID there would be inflammatory, it's a reasonable opinion. People who aren't good writers or don't know how to responsibly edit shouldn't edit encyclopedias. Monsat 18:10, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay, but what's your point? The whole thing comes off like you're itching for a fight. I strongly suggest you change the sockpuppet's name or stop using the sock altogether. Plenty of people learn to edit responsibly and become better writers in the process of editing. Durova^Charge! 18:28, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

This checkuser block is final. No discussion. The information will not be released for WP:BEANS sake, but I have spoken with Dmcdevit, who has confirmed that Minaret's claims are false. See User talk:MinaretDk. Daniel.Bryant 20:39, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User Hipocrite

[edit] User Cada2

A bunch of new pages were just created by a new user, User:Cada2 and it seems like each and every page is a biography with the exact text taken from the web page listed in the external link. I'm a new editor and I don't know if I should be marking all of these Cada2's pages as {db-spam}, {db-copyvio}, or what. Can someone else here give me an opinion? My gut feeling is that Cada2 is the owner of the web page listed in the external links, thus making all of these spam, but I'm not sure and I don't know if I should do anything aside from doing a speedy delete on all the pages (reason: copyvio) Some (most?) of the people in the pages are notable (well known musicians according to google), but the wikipedia articles just don't seem right. Thomas Dzubin _Talk 19:04, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Some don't seem to be copyright violations. I'd say that isn't the right choice for all of them. I'd go through and remove the links from all. If they don't assert notability, tag and bag for speedy deletion. If they assert but aren't worth keeping, prod. If they are worth keeping, put cleanup tags. I've dropped a note at Wikipedia:WikiProject Spam/To-do#Users to check out. GRBerry 19:16, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Also, looking at his contributions, he did about an hour yesterday, and an hour today. A block right now would be punitive, at least in my eyes, not preventative, because he hasn't been active for an hour and a half. If adequate warning and explanation is given, and he repeats again tomorrow, the issue will be different then. GRBerry 19:20, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok thanks... Before I came here, I had already marked 3 pages speedy for copyvio and they have been deleted already....I'll take a look at the rest over the next few days if I have time Thomas Dzubin _Talk 19:25, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sarcastic post on user page

This post was left on my user page by Intothefire. I wonder what could be the constructive reason of this sarcastic post. And could someone tell this user that messages should be posted on talk pages. Szhaider 19:08, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Sarcasm is not actionable. --Ideogram 19:10, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

It sounds as though he's accusing you of being User:Siddiqui. Difficult to parse, though. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 19:11, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Anyways I am going to delete his post. I hope it is not a crime to edit when it is not vandalism and the editor is not blocked. I contacted User:Siddiqui through wikipedia about 2 weeks ago asking him if he had any sock puppets and asked him to declare them as his alternative accounts. He never responded. Szhaider 19:26, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Generally you are free to edit your user page and user talk page as you wish. --Ideogram 19:30, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

You may wish to refer the poster to Wikipedia:Sarcasm is really helpful. MastCell 20:33, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:POINT moved

Single-purpose new user User:Hiablke created Wikipedia:Do not distract Wikipedia to illustrate a point and pointed WP:POINT to it. Wikipedia:Do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point still exists. The user's contribs [97] are interesting - maybe it's a blocked user returning? CMummert · talk 19:59, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm... interesting. What did I miss whilst being distracted by this piece of... clear distraction from "Hiablke"? Still, I had fun deleting the weird redirects and reverting the odd edits. I haven't blocked "Hiablke" or anything as I suspect they won't be back - and if they do reappear, well, any distraction is welcome in this workaday world ;o) 〈REDVEЯS〉 20:06, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Special:Contributions/Egunthry -- repeatedly re-creating articles

Egunthry (talk · contribs)

• Re-created Sore Thumbs twice, once after full AfD, then thirty seconds after a speedy delete.

*Re-created Superosity after full AfD.

User has been warned repeatedly and shows no sign of good faith. Probably a puppet (account created today). Block & salt requested. /Blaxthos 06:09, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Might as well not be a puppet. Webcomic deletions have been attracting offsite attention over the last couple of days. --Kizor 22:07, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "White power" userpage?

I don't really think that this is appropriate. When requested to change the page, the user responded that (s)he "only likes Aryan encyclopedias". Seraphimblade 16:42, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Never mind, apparently been deleted already. Seraphimblade 16:46, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia should not be censoring particular political viewpoints. —Centrx→talk • 16:49, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

It does not allow ethnic slurs and insults though. Also, censorship does not apply to Wikipedia, it is not privately owned by it's editors. Also, having a viewpoint, and insulting and belittling other races are very different. Unblock request reviewed, and declined. HighInBC ^{(Need help? Ask me)} 16:49, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Userboxes that that praise Stalin and various ethnically motivated European political parties have been "voted" to be allowed. —Centrx→talk • 16:53, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

NPOV gives their views a reasonable airing in articles, but that doesn't mean that vandals (and this person was a vandal) get to use their user pages for hate speech. Dragons flight 16:55, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Definitely agreed with Dragons flight. There's one thing to someone saying "I like Stalin". I may not be able to comprehend why you would, but that's your opinion. It is entirely another thing for someone to come right in and make racial or ethnic slurs. We have a policy against personal attacks, and that's a personal attack against a lot of people. Seraphimblade 16:58, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

So you can say "I support Hitler's ethnic cleansing policies", but not "The Southern Poverty Law Center sucks ass"? —Centrx→talk • 17:05, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

It's more complicated than that. You can be here to help write an encyclopedia. You can't be here to not help write an encyclopedia. As the person who reported this user to AIV (Southern Poverty Law Center is on my watchlist, I rvved a page blanking, and then saw the user page after dropping a bv), it was my perception that this user was of the second type. Hipocrite - «Talk» 17:09, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

That would be a separate issue, and I doubt it would have been brought here and the user would not have been blocked if it had simply said "George W. Bush must be impeached!", and if the user had blanked a page with such a statement he would have been given warnings starting from level 1 to level 4 nonsense. Neither user is here to help the encyclopedia, and both users are here to advance a viewpoint. —Centrx→talk • 17:27, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

And the fact remains that "I support Stalin", "I support the Chinese Communist Party", and "I support the National Democratic Party of Germany" are allowed, while "I support Hitler" is not. That is, the effective policy is made based solely on people's desire to have political userboxes—except for ones they are personally disgusted with, whatever their ignorance of other ones with which they should also be disgusted. —Centrx→talk • 17:32, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Those should not be allowed by my interpretation of the WP:USER page. I missed those discussions. I don't see how any of that invalidates this block. HighInBC ^{(Need help? Ask me)} 17:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Centrx, have you looked at the users contributions? This is known as a vandal only account, they are blocked on sight all the time. This is not to do with political opinions, this is a case of blocking a disruptive user. HighInBC ^{(Need help? Ask me)} 17:29, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, and they are also given level 1 through level 4 warnings all the time, and if you report them on AIV without having given a level 4 warning and waited for further vandalism, some admins will chastise you for it. —Centrx→talk • 17:32, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

As I said in the unblock request, you can be Aryan, but you can't act racist, [98][99][100]. The difference is that one is a belief, and the other is an action. This user's only contribs are to push intolerance. HighInBC ^{(Need help? Ask me)} 16:57, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Agree, this person was not advancing a viewpoint, they were trolling.--Isotope23 17:06, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Is this something about the SPLC? I can't read what was there, but see this. Corvus cornix 21:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

The original page had something like "The Southern Poverty Law Center sucks" along with the other stuff. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me Please review me!} 21:35, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry if I shoudln't have deleted the page, its my first day as an admin. The thing is the userpage said Heil Hitler, and other stuff, this is what the user was parading around (trolling). ~ Arjun 21:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Deleting attack/hate pages is standard procedure. If anyone disagree strongly enough they can file at WP:DRV. HighInBC ^{(Need help? Ask me)} 21:38, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Yup, I agree with the majority. While a thoughtful support of Hitler is theoretically possible, this was mere insult mongering and sloganeering. The account served no useful purpose. Durova^Charge! 23:53, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Self-replicating user

I'm not sure this is the right venue for this, but a User:Jfell seems to be making quite a series of accounts (I know of User:Jfell11, User:Jfell2, and User:Jfell89) with no constructive edits. He has made spurious claims of sockpuppetry (both to myself and to User:Veinor), and may be the same as User:90.192.101.187 who vandalized my userpage not long after Jfell gave it its baptismal vandal-mark. Not sure what might need to be done. Let me know if I should pursue this differently. Figma 19:56, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing it up here... Interesting to say the least.--Isotope23 21:24, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

It appears he is using all of these accounts for adding nonsense content to articles and tags on userpages. Anyone have a big problem with a block of the alternate accounts? WP:AGF I think a warning on the main account User:Jfell with a "wait and see" approach, but I don't see any reason to leave 4 other accounts out there when it is pretty clear the editor has no legitimate reason to have them.--Isotope23 21:33, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Pretty obvious that the new ones need to be blocked. We've seen attack users created before by disputants, so I'm not totally sure what to do with Jfell, but that account doesn't seem to have many (any?) helpful edits. GRBerry 21:41, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree, nothing useful there, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.--Isotope23 21:43, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:Jnormanii

This user has no substantive edits and has only added content to its own user page and that content seems only to be a religious message of some sort. -- Mufka ^{(user) (talk) (contribs)} 21:06, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Looks like it's prodded... If that gets removed then send it to MFD. No problem as far as I can see. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 22:56, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wilkinsdn and Tabby32

Wilkinsdn (talk · contribs) and Tabby32 (talk · contribs) appear to be the same person/spammer; please block one or the other, optionally preceeded by a checkuser. Vectro 21:49, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Articles related to Northern Catalonia/Pyrénées-Orientales

There is quite an edit war breaking out, mostly between Maurice27 (talk · contribs) and Toniher (talk · contribs). Template:Comarques of Catalonia has already been protected and sent to RFC, but the war has spread to over a dozen different articles. Help requested to try to restore calm! Physchim62 (talk) 23:13, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anna Nicole Smith

Administrators, please take notice of what is currently going on with the Anna Nicole Smith article. Thanks, (jarbarf) 20:51, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Ongoing vandalism as news of her death percolate throughout by anons. Request Semi-Protection.--71.194.34.62 20:55, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

It's been semi'ed by RyanGerbil10. —bbatsell ¿? ✍ 21:00, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Semi-protection isn't really "working" right now it seems. (jarbarf) 21:05, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I've full protected the page for 2 days. This is two-fold reasoned: one, the page has been FARKED and sleeper accounts are vandalizing; two, maintains a stability for a couple days to prevent further speculatory edits. The protection is welcomed to be lengthened or shortened, but please don't remove it. Speculation discussion is welcomed on the talk page. Teke ^(talk) 02:23, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I removed an inappropriate image in the infobox with a weird caption: "he said she would become the next Marylin Monroe" — JuWiki (Talk <> Resources) 02:40, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:Shadowbot(bot) is misbehaving]]

Shadowbot just reverted an edit of mine that added a nonsense template to Gdawg 69. It complains on my talk page that I'm making linkspam, but I didn't even add any links. 209.30.160.174 06:52, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for reporting this. I've blocked the bot. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 06:59, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

We've since fixed the issue (hopefully), and the bot is now running again. Thanks for intervening; I wouldn't want Shadowbot to interfere with anti-vandal efforts. Shadow1 (talk) 01:10, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Egregious personal attack

There is no reason for such outrageously poor behavior. My desire to source articles to reliable sources does not, in any way, make me a holocaust denier. Hipocrite - «Talk» 16:39, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Can we get some details? Like a diff? HighInBC ^{(Need help? Ask me)} 16:41, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I was just looking for the same thing, I assume the diff is this. Newyorkbrad 16:43, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry. A bit steamed, so I copypasted them out. [101], and [102]. Hipocrite - «Talk» 16:43, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

That is way over the line. I'd go for an immediate block (he certainly isn't a newbie), but that might be a knee-jerk. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 16:48, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

There's no need for that as there's no chance of such behavior ongoing (we've found an alternative citation that is reliable). Could someone just drop him a polite word to stop it please? Hipocrite - «Talk» 16:53, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

This user has also put a David Horowitz article up for deletion: [103] I am not really sure what their issue with Horowitz is. There has been an increase in political sabre rattling, hopefully this isnt the extension of that. --NuclearZer0 16:49, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

It's not. In the process of reviewing an AFD I found that myself and someone with diametrically oppposed views on most things both believe that something is an unreliable source. With that piece of info, I excised it as a source from a multitude of articles. A few of those articles were slightly contentious (most were just drive-by external linkings). Only this one was an outrageous flareup as the owner of the article decided my removal of one sentence and one source was me denying the holocaust. Hipocrite - «Talk» 16:53, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

As a friendly future reccomendation, you may not want to consider the opinion of yourself and one other person to be a concensus on other articles. Not commenting on wrong or right, just advice as it seems people do not appreciate an outside agreement between 2 editors to be suitable to follow onto other articles. --NuclearZer0 16:57, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your advice. I will take it in the spirit in which it was given. Hipocrite - «Talk» 17:00, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I have just given this user a level 3 NPA warning. I would recommend a block for any such future violations. HighInBC ^{(Need help? Ask me)} 16:55, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Codex Sinaiticus thinks my warning may have been unfair, so I invited him to speak here. HighInBC ^{(Need help? Ask me)} 17:03, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

The warning was not unfair. A block could have been given straight away, but giving a warning first is better. I hope the user in question is willing to acknowledge his error and all can move on. IronDuke 01:53, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Of course it wasn't. (Although I do strongly advocate not templating in this instance.) —bbatsell ¿? ✍ 01:59, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 24.79.132.118

24.79.132.118 user was blocked by Martinp23 at 17:14, 12 January 2007 (UTC). Vandalized more on 18 January. Quiet until 30 January. Began harassing Chameleon3322, who is an adoptee of mine. After additional vandalism on 7 February, Chameleon3322 requested advice from me. There was already a {{test1}} and a {{test2}} since the last block on 24.79.132.118's talk page, so I added a {{test3}} and an encouraging message expressing many warm fuzzies about how to become a productive Wikipedian. The response was "f**k you all! do you think i care?", followed by more vandalism to my talk page and also to Ignatius of Loyola. I have posted a {{test4}} (well, two simultaneously actually) to 24.79.132.118's talk page. Since the recent round of attacked seemed focused on Chameleon3322 and nobody else (until I intervened), it's possible that this is someone who knows Chameleon3322 in real life, but he doesn't know who it might be. Any suggestions?

Also, Chameleon3322 asked me how to revert vandalism. I wrote some information geared for new users on dealing with vandalism and reverting edits. I plan to archive that into a special section of my userspace (unless enough people think it's good enough to go somewhere else), but I'd appreciate a quick review to make sure I'm not giving newbies any bad advice (or that I would be doing anything wrong myself if I did what I describe). Thanks. :-) --Willscrlt (Talk·Cntrb) 00:05, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Blocked the IP for a month -- it's obviously static, and obviously disruptive. Will be happy to block it again if/when such abuse continues. Aside from that, helpful pages you could link to or base your guide off of might include cleaning up vandalism, reverting, RC patrol, AIV, and perhaps the Counter-Vandalism Unit. Only sticking point I saw, in your guide you mention 3RR, but when dealing with vandalism and BLP concerns, users are actually exempted from 3RR (but, to make clear, only in those circumstances, which are very narrowly defined, so it's still an important caveat). I didn't see if you did, but you could mention WP:AN/3RR as the place to report 3RRvios. Regardless, I applaud both your efforts to assume good faith, even in difficult circumstances and to help newcomers, the life and future of the wiki. Luna Santin 00:23, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Diehardinfo just slapped a {{uw-npa4im}} onto my talk page, which I'm guessing is in retaliation to this incident(?), after Luna Santin blocked 24.79.132.118 for a month. Looking at the "contributions" of this user, it seems this is a fairly common occurrence. Possibly a sock puppet or just a friend of 24.79.132.118? I don't know. This is all somewhat new to me. --Willscrlt (Talk·Cntrb) 00:28, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Not having made any personal attacks in my history here at Wikipedia, I have removed that template from my talk page and left a message on Diehardinfo's talk page with information on how to use the template properly in the future. I see that there is a notification from another person on the talk page about the user inappropriately applying a block notice to another user's page. --Willscrlt (Talk·Cntrb) 01:41, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:Michelle-Trachtenberg

This user has setup their user page as a home page. To quote from the page "This is a fansite about the actress Michelle Trachtenberg". The user has deleted the PROD notice that I put on the page. -- Mufka ^{(user) (talk) (contribs)} 00:51, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I deleted the page and was about to block the user per WP:USERNAME but another admin had already taken care of it. Should be all set.--Isotope23 02:08, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Campaigning for support

I've recently been involved in a dispute. Initially the two editors were involved in a lot of name-calling, resorting to ad hominem arguments in order to make their points, and at best using original arguments to support their positions. I gave them both some reasoned advice about Wikipedia, and one of them has seemed to adapt to our rules. The other has been, apparently, campaigning on another web site for more editors to come and support his position. Anyone interested in the specifics will not have a hard time digging them up from my talk page, but I think this sums up the relevant points. Obviously, we could block the campaigners but there's been no warning... but on the other hand, the damage may already be done. How should we handle this situation as a general point? (And anyone wanting to get involved in this dispute specifically would be welcome). Mangojuice^talk 01:55, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Am I already involved? To be honest I think the editor in question (and I'm speaking of the one who is campaigning) is rather WP:TE... I've been pretty close to blocking him for WP:NPA already but I've been trying to be a bit reasonable because I was trying to broker something of an agreement there. IMO, the more long time contributors who get involved the better. We really need some people who are not trying to push a POV there. Beyond that, new contributors are always welcome to participate, but anyone who newly registers and shows up there pushing one side of the debate should be taken with a grain of salt. I also think my expiring protection of the page should be indef'd for the time being.--Isotope23 02:07, 10 February 2007 (UTC)