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FAC 01: Shahbag

Re: Shahbag

I think having someone like Rama's Arrow or Nichalp take a look may be a good idea before calling for an FAC. By the way, have you fixed your Bangla script problems? --Ragib 16:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: Shahbag

Hi Aditya, I took a very quick look at the article. Will take a more in-depth look later. Off the top of my head, here are some thoughts. First, the pictures are great; second, there are definitely enough topics there; third, the article needs narrative. The third point, for me, is the most important. For example, the educations section reads:

“ The major academic bodies around Shahbag Intersection and in Shahbag Thana includes Dhaka University, Dhaka Medical College, BUET, Bangladesh Civil Service Administration Academy, BSMMU[1], Art College, Institute of Management, IBA, Institute of Modern languages, Udayan School, University Laboratory School, and Engineering University School. ”

There is nothing in the text above that grabs an average reader (who likely won't know anything about Dhaka, let alone the Shahbag neighborhood). The article has to make the transition from lists to narrative. One way to do this would be to temporarily replace a name, for example, "Dhaka University," by text that says something interesting about the name. For example, "Since the early 19th century, the Shahbag intersection, has been the hub of intellectual life in the city. Today, it home to a technology park ..." Obviously I'm making this up, but you get the idea. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 03:58, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Re:Shahbag

The article needs a lot of work. =Shopping= is too touristy and needs to go. The article needs some more content. And I saw a glaring error on the page. The latitude is shown as 30 °N and as far as my knowledge of Bangladesh goes, that's too high! =Nichalp «Talk»= 13:52, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Re:

Can you structure the article roughly according to Waterfall Gully, South Australia. Subsections and galleried should be eliminated. For the coordinates, try using google earth. =Nichalp «Talk»= 05:07, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Shahbag

Extremely sorry for the delay in replying. I am not really the right person to improve an article such as Shahbag. However, I have given it a look. The lead-in is not impressive. Earlier also I had noted that some photographs of great political events at Ramna would greatly enhance the value of the article. I have a feeling that it should go through FA as it is. Regrds. -- P.K.Niyogi 05:42, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Re:Shahbag

Hi Aditya - I'm sorry for not having replied on this for a while. I've taken the liberty to reorganize the article and pictures and I will proceed to copyedit the text. I'm optimistic that you can go for a FAC in 1-2 days. Rama's arrow 21:56, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey - I just noticed that you have a fair use image (the MuktiBahini logo) on your userpage. You'll have to remove it as per Wikipedia:Fair use. Rama's arrow 22:17, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Definitely start a peer review. A GA nom will be a waste of energy as the FAC is so near. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rama's Arrow (talk • contribs) 22:18, 15 March 2007 (UTC).

Hello there! I've left several comments on Talk:Shahbag. Hope this is helpful! Best, MarkBuckles (talk) 00:17, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Re:Shahbag

Looks, better. I'd prefer you open a peer review so that I can log in my comments there. Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:20, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

References for Shahbaug and Education in B'desh

Hi Aditya - for the "References" section, you need to add more details (date of publication, publisher, isbn/asin) - if this is just a "Further reading" type section (as there aren't any book citations), I suggest you may want to remove it all together. I'll report on the article a little later, when I've finished copyediting it. For Education in Bangladesh, I suggest you start by writing fresh lead paragraphs, which will act as an outline/format to guide you in writing the other parts of the article. Also, I suggest you create 1-2 templates listing the notable schools/colleges/universities of Bangladesh - something like {{Indian Institute Of Technology}}. Cheers, Rama's arrow 17:37, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi - please wikify all the red links by creating stubs. Rama's arrow 18:04, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Hahahaha - your image arrangement was appeared screwed up on my explorer page! I guess we'll have to ask a 3rd person to referee this!

Yes, the "Festivals" subsection is unnecessary, given that festivals are linked to religion and cultural life itself. The "Culture" section itself is meant to be broad enough to include everything - I would say it would be logical to have a separate "Festivals" section if the article was about the culture of Shahbag, or demographics of Shahbag.

There were a bunch of people mentioned in the article - now if they were notable enough to mention, the readers need to know who they were. Notable Bangladeshi institutions require separate articles - those that are not notable, why mention them in the first place? If worth mentioning, more data is needed on the entity either within the article - but to keep the article concise, fork articles are necessary. If you term something as the "Christian New Year," you should link it to the relevant page so that no reader is confused by the sudden use of "Christian" for what is quite secular - also, as you talk about the reorganized B'deshi calendar, again, the reader needs to have more data on what ur talking about. You can create an article on Boli Khela, the Bengali form of wrestling - Pehlwani is not merely the Punjabi name for wrestling. You can obviously link Basanta Utsav directly to the Basant article.

I just wanted to know if all those references were relevant - there were many titles that didn't seem to be more than a recommended "further reading" list. No, you do not need to add citations from each source and you can reinsert the refs I removed. Try to add as much information as possible about each book's publication details. It is OK if you can't get isbn, although I think most books have some form of an ID. One more thing - you use the {{cite news}}, which is good. Please convert the book citations to {{cite book}} and weblink citations to {{cite web}}.

Except for the issue adding information on the reference books and about half of the red links, most of these points are not critical and entirely up to your judgment. Check with Ragib or Dwaipayan about these points. Once you deal with these points one way or another, my opinion is that this article is ready for FAC. Rama's arrow 20:45, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Cheers, Rama's arrow 20:45, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Shahbag

Well, I am not sure if it is ready for FAC. My doubt is whether it is comprehensive. Do you think all aspects have been covered? If you think so, just go for the FAC. Because it is only in the FAC that the article will be reviewed properly and will get further suggestions. Go for it, even if it fails, there will be constructive suggestions. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 05:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: Posting again

Sorry, I've been quite busy these days ... so my visits to wikipedia has been limited to minor edits, rvv etc. I will look into the Shahbag page, and possibly will add some stuff too. You are doing a good work ... I believe the Shahbag article will be ready for FAC within a day or two. Thanks. --Ragib 06:23, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Re:Shahbag

Sorry, Aditya, I got caught up in other stuff. I will take a look at the article later today. Thanks. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 17:36, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

re: Shahbag

Hi. I was wondering how you decided to ask me to help peer review the article? Am I on some list somewhere that I should know about? Some user category? You only needed to ask once, though, so I removed the doubled request. Please let me know, thanks. For your information, I've never tried peer reviewing an article, and am not too interested in it, especially an article that I know absolutely nothing about. Also, I'm not very amenable to requests that seem totally random and impersonal (they seem like spam). Thanks, and have a nice day! --Storkk 09:02, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

shahbag

Try Harlem, which is a GA. However, you can create new ground by organizing it differently, that is totally fine as long as it is cohesive. Good luck,--ppm 18:03, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the headings and Table of contents look a bit odd now, with single subsections dangling inside section 2 and 4. Renaming, merging content with the section without subsection heading can be done here. --Ragib 04:05, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I was referring to the layout you tried out for Shahbag, but which you have reverted here. I was referring to the subsections under section 2 and 4. The current TOC looks fine. The article can go to FAC as early as Sunday/Monday. You might ask Nichalp to take a final look (if you've addressed all his previous points). --Ragib 20:24, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, you were right, a little abbrasive, but I was in the wrong. Thanks for offering the help, I'll let you know if I need it. Omishark 16:43, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, ready

I just read the Shahbag article, from a brief overview it is up to Good articl standards. Its well written, neutral, well-cited, and has good prose. It is achievable of a FA giving a few more pictures, that's the criticism you might find. Otherwise, I agree with the assessments of the article. Great article to read, that could make it to the main page. Showmanship is the key 01:45, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Shahbag Review

Aditya Bhaia,

Sorry for my late response. I am little bit busy these days and didn’t want to provide a review like “jeno-teno”! I have gone through the whole article and found some of the parts that should be improved. Besides, this article demands some of the points to be added in order to give it a complete touch.

  • This article started in a nice way but ended up with a messy style. I didn’t found any organized conclusion and I just felt all on a sudden it ends.
  • Shahbag’s importance related to our liberation war can be arranged with a separate sub heading. It will be more appropriate if we can provide a picture of Banga Bondhu’s 7-e March Speech on Ramna Rasecourse.
  • I personally felt this article demands two special pictures, 1. A picture of Dhaka University, if it is ‘Aporajeo Bangla’, that will be the best. 2. A picture of Ramna Park.
  • Ramna Bomb-explosion can also be a sub heading as it was (or is!) one of the burning issues related to this place. We should also mention terrorist’s fate and current undergoing investigation by the law-n-order force with in one or two lines.

Other than those parts, overall article is well written. Niaz bd 05:54, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

FAC?

Should I nominate Shahbag for FAC? You might ask Nichalp for final comments, but I think it's ready for FAC. --Ragib 05:26, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Great. I've nominated it ... please express your opinion at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Shahbag. Thanks. --Ragib 07:53, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Shahbag table

Hi, I tweaked the table at Shahbag#Urban layout a bit so that it now takes up less vertical space. Might need more work though. --KFP (talk | contribs) 15:57, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Shahbag

Please resolve the issues raised here. Should be easy to fix ... --Ragib 20:18, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Shahbag map

Saw your coment on Nichalps talkpage. Since i work with illustrator i can help you with exporting SVG, what version do you use and can you give me the page where you uploaded your svg -- PlaneMad|YakYak 17:53, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

I can fix the SVG and reupload it, but it would be better if we can resolve the problem at your end. Use the following options(if available) while exporting:

  1. Font type:SVG, Subset:Glyphs only
  2. Images: Link
  3. CSS properties: Presentation attributes
  4. Decimal: 2 places
  5. Encoding: UTF 8
  6. DONT USE Include adobe server data and slicing data
  7. Uncheck preserve illustrator editing capabilities and use <textpath> element

Try reuploading with these options-- PlaneMad|YakYak 18:21, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Just checked your svg and theres nothing wrong with it as it displays when opened. The source tells me you have used myriad font(copyright), Pls use Arial/Times new roman instead. Theres also a lot of unnecessary data which is what is causing the rasterising to fail, follow the above export options and it shall be fine -- PlaneMad|YakYak 18:25, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Fixed, just your text isnt showing, not sure about that. Add a white background so that you dont have a transparent back -- PlaneMad|YakYak 18:39, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Your SVG still has Myriad Bold font embedded, pls replace the font-- PlaneMad|YakYak 18:41, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Hmm, the font is embedded in some wierd way, ill check this tomorrow, in the meantime not subsetting fonts should fix this for the moment -- PlaneMad|YakYak 19:11, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
I checked the two maps you linked on Shahbag featured article discussion page. The Shahbag map worked for me but the old/new dhaka map didn't.-Arman Aziz 06:19, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Ive fixed the image and it shows up now. Here are my observations:

  1. Delete any files you imported before exporting (in this case dhaka_map.gif). This was the cause for the problem.
  2. When i saw your SVG source the font data was embeded in some other format instead of vector points, which is also causing trouble. Try playing around with the font and CSS style export options. Or can you take a screenshot of your export dialog (host it on http://imageshack.us )
  3. All the text has been rotated by a few angles, you may want to correct that.
  4. You have used knockout and isolate blending in the transperancy options. This has no effect and only increases file size. This can be fixed by selecting all the text and clicking the "reduce to basic appearance" icon in the appearance pallete.

-- PlaneMad|YakYak 08:50, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Looks like the person I've was going to recommend you to has alreadt taken care of the request. :) Thanks Planemad! =Nichalp «Talk»= 16:13, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Shahbag

Hello! Thanks for your repeated requests for comments. I'm in the middle of several real-life projects right now, but I will certainly give it a look if I get a chance during the next few days! Best wishes, MarkBuckles (talk) 01:15, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Shahbag Maps

Great job on both maps! Will attend to pruning the lead a little. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:58, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I agree, "Historic Mansions" is a better section header. Sure, you could create a stub for Chayanaut Music School, if it's not too much work; otherwise, just let it be for now. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 15:22, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't see any transport information? Could this be added in one of the sections? =Nichalp «Talk»= 16:37, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Aditya, I think your geographic info is fine in the new Urban Layout section. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 19:35, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Shahbag

I've made some important structural changes to the article. I still feel it needs the following:

  1. District it comes under/ ward that comes under in urban layout
  2. Red dot on the locator map needs to be made larger.
  3. Who looks after the Thana, an officer?

=Nichalp «Talk»= 16:52, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Congrats

Congrats on your first FA! May there be many more to come. =Nichalp «Talk»= 07:34, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Congrats from me too! You did a stellar job. BTW, how did you (so very quickly) convert the Dhaka map on the website to the svg map on the Shahbag page? Did you use software for it? I am very interested in learning how to do it. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:32, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

FAC 02: Bengali Language Movement

fAC

Hi - I have submitted Language movement for FAC. I request your input at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Language movement. Rama's arrow (just a sexy boy) 19:40, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your input - while I will soon address your points completely, I request that you please check if you have the sourcs that can provide more information to the article and help in copyediting. Being in Bangladesh, you will possibly have better access to diverse sources than I; I'm doing the best I can in terms of online sources. As this is a race against time, I request your help. Cheers, Rama's arrow (just a sexy boy) 02:56, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Language movement FAC

Could you please lend a hand? Rama's arrow has left Wikipedia over the RFARB, and now the article and the FAC is kind of orphaned. If you have some time, can you please make some of the copyedits you suggested in the FAC page? Thanks. --Ragib 07:10, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Please help

Ragib bhai is right about the situation. Please help with the copyediting and ask me if you want something. Anything you want, just ask me. Tarif from Bangladesh 07:41, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Scholary argument

You have asked for some scholary arguments. Here's what I've found:

  • Regarding the fact of Indians making Hindi their state language, Vice Chancellor of Aligarh Universtity, Ziauddin Ahmed asked pakistanis to follow the idea by giving the same status to Urdu in Pakistan.

source:Bodruddin Umar's Purbo-Banglar Bhasha Andolon O Totkalin Rajniti.

  • In reply, Dr. Muhammad Shahidullah said, imitating the act of the congress (of India) by giving only Urdu the status of state language would be a setback. He also said, Bengali holds an special position in world literature. Bengali is one of the highest spoken language and ranked 7th in the world. He quoted, If English is left for being a foreign language, their is no reason not to select Bengali as state language. He also pointed out that Urdu is not the native language of any part of Pakistan but said, if we have to choose a second state language, we should consider Urdu.

source:The Daily Azad, July 29, 1947

  • Abdul Haq, the editor of Showgat said, If Urdu is announced as the only state language then Urdu would take the position of English... As a result 50 million people of Pakistan would become disable for government postings...despite being the majority, Bengali people would remain second... if the linguistic freedom don't come, the whole indipendence would not be complete.

Source:Bashir Al Helal's book, pp.192

  • Abul Mansur Ahmed said, If Urdu becomes the state language, the educated society of East Pakistan would become 'illiterate' and 'ineligible' for government post.

source:source:Bodruddin Umar's Purbo-Banglar Bhasha Andolon O Totkalin Rajniti. pp.30-32

  • Amongst others who support equal status of Bengali along with Urdu are Dr. Enamul Haq and Motahar Hossain Chowdhury.

Source:Bashir Al Helal's book, pp.201-207

if necessary please include this in the main article. Thanks--- Tarif from Bangladesh 08:28, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Just asking

I saw you erased a few really annoying comments of Jinnah from the article. I think it's not reflecting his and Muslim League's real position about the language crisis. Please don't take my concern otherwise. I'm just asking. You are far more experienced and I'm just a newbie. Anyway keep it up and good luck. Tarif from Bangladesh 08:50, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I just wanted to make sure Jinnah's strong position against the movement. Anyway lets get this done. Tarif from Bangladesh 19:54, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Template

I have created a template (in the same form as BD Liberation War template). Please expand the template Template:Language_Movement, and add it to the bottom of the article. --Ragib 08:56, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Ohiullah and Salauddin

I have posted some information(on FAC page) about Ohiullah and Salauddin along with citations. Please Have a look at it if you want. And as you may know that I basically edit from cellphone, so sometimes it becomes more difficult to keep track of all the pages. So if you want me to do anything, please post it to my talk page. Thanks and i'll try to work on Tarkabagish. Tarif from Bangladesh 19:51, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Nooooo...

Please do not add chart/list form in the legacy, or, for that matter, anywhere else in the article. Please write in prose form. If needed, create another article named "Cultural influence of Language movement", or something like that, and add the list there. Can see Artistic depictions of the partition of India.--Dwaipayan (talk) 20:45, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

After you are done with Artistic depictions of the language movement, please add a gist in prose form in Language movement, under Legacy. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 07:51, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Good job, but...

I also thought the expansion may seem to be rather un-referenced. That's why specifically asked in the edit summary to have a look: "cultural depictions expanded; please see"! The film is ok, IMO. But really no idea about the novels and poems (though I remember to have read Shamsur Rahaman's poems). So what do you suggest? Revert to the state where no specific example is given?--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:41, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I think we should wait for one or two days so that other concerns (which are, in essence, comprehensiveness and verifiability) are met. Then comes the prose. We can submit it to the League. The article at its present status, would not survive Tony :) --Dwaipayan (talk) 17:51, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Language movement

Hello, I couldn't help but notice your message on Editor at Large's talk page, because it was just above mine. I'm willing to take a look at the article and see what I can do. I can't promise anything, because I'm a busy person, but I will see what I can do in terms of improving the prose of the article. --Kyoko 21:09, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much! I know next to nothing about the history and politics involved, so my participation will have to be limited to just copyediting. Offhand, I think it would be helpful if you explained in the intro a bit more about the Urdu-only policy: was this limited to what language was used in schools and on TV, or did it go so far as to prohibit the speaking of Bengali in public areas? I'm happy that I was able to restore your faith in Wikipedia, and thanks again. --Kyoko 21:44, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello... I have popped in on the article to see if I could get some copyediting done, but every time I do there's an {{inuse}} tag on it so I left it alone. My edits tend to change a lot of minor details and when you get an edit conflict it's very hard to merge the two, so I often end up just starting over (which is a waste of time). You seem to have a nice team of copyeditors there, if I happen to be around when it's quieted down I'll see what I can do :) -- Editor at Large • talk 00:54, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Language movement

I finished the copyedit on Language movement. I'm not 100% confident that I didn't Americanize some of the British English in the article, so I'm going to have someone else proofread it during the next day or so. But considering the situation, I have spent almost five hours reading and re-reading the article looking for any errors, inconsistancies, or just WP:MOS changes. I'm confident in the changes that have been made, but I don't want you to hesitate to contact me if you have any feedback.

I wish you the best of luck on your FA nomination, good luck. Trusilver 03:54, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Can you strike out your Oppose? You have expressed support at the bottom, and stricken out the text under the "oppose", but the oppose in bold letters is still sticking out. Tony1 has removed his oppose, so now I think we are almost close to FA status. --Ragib 05:12, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

State language

Sorry, I can not remember any exact reference about what state language means. I have asked to Ragib bhai about this for help. Anyway I gave references to all the novels, poems and stage plays which are mentioned in the article. Anymore thing to do? Call me. Cheers Tarif from Bangladesh 12:02, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Kyoko have posted a message about changing the lead section. My personal opinion is that its ok. This is probably a classic example of Many man many mind. Well, if you need it needs to be changed, then let her. Regards- Tarif from Bangladesh 19:13, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

One more thing

Arman talked about it. I think the criticism section could still use some re-write. What is the context of the statement "The participation of Bengali Hindus and the Hindu foundations of Bengali culture provoked considerable opposition in West Pakistan. Several Bengali politicians such as Maulana Bhashani, Golam Azam, Motiur Rahman Nizami and Shah Azizur Rahman were alienated from the Awami League and subsequent Bengali nationalist agitations"? Why were they alienated and how is that related to the Language Movement? Also there seems to be sevaral different points on criticism - it is very difficult to separate one from the other. I am looking to it. Can you help? Tarif from Bangladesh 11:05, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Can you please strike out the comments you made (and were attended to adequately) in the FAC? It makes an visual impresion!!! Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 16:07, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I am grateful

I don't really know, do I really do those things you said I do? Well, if I do, then it's just because I had great friends throughout my life. Great friends like you. Out of nowhere, they add priceless moments to my life, without being aware of. I wish I could let them know how much they mean to me. I wish I could speak those things I could only feel! So I won't say thanks, I won't express gratitude, because I can not express what I feel... --Tarif from Bangladesh 19:23, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

What's The Problem

Well, to be honest, I have started to become a little restless about getting Language movement into an FA. That's probably because I don't have enough experience about FAC. Why is it taking so long? Considering the fact that almost all of the concerns are solved. Hasnot it met criteria 1a yet? Is there anything more specific is needed? I have no idea. You have done a great job with Shahbag (the place that I had to go a number of times for LM), that's why I'm asking you. In how many days do you think we'll get this done? (By the way, don't take the message too seriously, it's nearly half passed two and I just needed to talk to someone :) Tarif from Bangladesh 20:24, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I think the main problem here is that we skipped peer review, which would have caught the copyedit issues, and also the language/reference issues. --Ragib 21:36, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
What is that language/reference issue? Is it that we referered heavily from a Bengali book? --Tarif from Bangladesh 08:50, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I'll try

I am going through those tips you have provided. I can give it a try. We will also have to motivate some more experienced copyeditors as well. --Tarif from Bangladesh 17:51, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I am trying to chop up a few snakes based on tips you have provided. A lot still remains to be done. I'll keep trying. Regards --Tarif from Bangladesh 20:18, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

date format comment

Hello Aditya, I had placed the inuse template on Language Movement because I wanted to change the date format in the wikilinked dates from [[February 21|21 February]] to [[21 February]]. This way, individual users can set their own preference for DD/MM or MM/DD format. I was unsure whether or not to change dates in the references, so I chose not to until I hear from other people. I was trying to make the changes in the article text but I got an edit conflict with you. I don't want to simply undo your changes, so when you can, would you please consider making the date changes that I proposed? Thanks. --Kyoko 14:00, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I went ahead and changed the wikilinked dates to the MM/DD format as described above. I haven't changed all of the dates in the references. --Kyoko 16:27, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Proposed name change

There is again a proposal for chang in the title of Language Movement to "Bangladesh Language Movement" or "Language Movement of Bangladesh". Please comment in the talk page of the article. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 04:06, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

sentence feedback

Hello, I looked at the sentence you pointed out in Bengali Language Movement, and it doesn't make sense to me. My understanding is that prisoners who don't post bail are kept in prison, not freed. Perhaps there is something missing in the sentence about public outcry or political pressure or something. --Kyoko 21:26, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the Barnstar :) Hope more Bangladesh-related articles will get FA status. --Dwaipayan (talk) 08:35, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

FAC 03: Biman Bangladesh Airlines

Biman Bangladesh Airlines rating

Thanks Aditya. The rating was actually for the Aviation project but based on your comments, I've upped it to B on the Bangladesh project also. → AA (talk • contribs) — 08:40, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Replied. → AA (talk • contribs) — 09:24, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Replied. → AA (talk • contribs) — 11:25, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

GA work

Thanks Aditya for your suggestion re: Trivia contents. I was halfway through incorporating it in the history. I've "cleaned" it up a bit to give more prominence to the BFCC. Just need to summarise into the lead. → AA (talk • contribs) — 21:34, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Replied. → AA (talk • contribs) — 23:09, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Wow! Been busy today and haven't had a chance to check-in until now. Thanks for your help - a job well done! → AA (talk • contribs) — 23:57, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Replied. → AA (talk • contribs) — 10:56, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Assessment/Biman Bangladesh Airlines

Thanks for asking me about this project - unfortunately, I don't know enough about airline history to comment adequately about this or other airlines - I know more on the technical side. Thanks anyway for asking for my advice! Autarch 18:08, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Biman

I have done some significant updates to this article and added a "TODO" section on the talk page. Please review and comment. Things have settled down a bit at Biman and would like to have a go at FAC soon (if just to get comments on what further improvement is required). Thanks. → AA (talk) — 09:39, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Biman Bangladesh Airlines subsidiaries - you saved the day! I was thinking of removing the redlinks as I wasn't sure of the notability of the subsidiaries but I guess collectively, it works better. Thanks! → AA (talk) — 13:18, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Will edit Bangladesh Airlines article

Thanks for the request, glad to know I'm wanted; thanks also for the compliments on the user page. I'll go over the article tonight. Will that be soon enough? -- Preston McConkie 17:45, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I've finished my first run through the Biman Bangladesh Airlines article. I want to go through again in about a week when I can look at it with fresh eyes. Right now the biggest change I'd like to see is to either put the list of airports served near the end of the article, or make that section more compact. Right now it visually suggests that there's nothing more to come, and it isn't the most compelling part of the article. I think too many readers will reach that point and stop.
However, I'm not ready to rearrange it just yet. I need to look at alternative ways of formatting the section, because organizationally it ought to be just where it is; it's the look that's the problem.
Anyway, thanks for inviting me to help. This is my first project as a member of the League of Copyeditors. -- Preston McConkie 23:02, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Hello, thanks for thinking about me, and thanks for the compliments. I will try to see what I can do, but I won't be able to work on it every day due to other obligations. Right now, to my eyes, the most obvious thing that needs fixing is the too-wordy language. I don't have specific sentences in mind, but it's the same sort of problem I saw with Bengali Language Movement when I first read it. I think the language needs to be more concise. I will try to read through the article again later. Thanks again for thinking about me. --Kyoko 17:47, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

List of accidents and incidents on commercial airliners grouped by airline

Biman - major edits

Aditya, it would be prudent to first discuss any major edits you intend to make as I don't believe any structural changes are required. → AA (talk) — 07:06, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Biman sources

I came across this ref which would be useful but not sure where to get hold of a copy. → AA (talk) — 10:57, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

  • "The History of Biman Bangladesh Airlines," Jatree [Dhaka], 3, No. 2, January-March 1987
I am trying to get a hold of it. Can you wait till Thursday? Aditya(talk • contribs) 12:18, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Sure!! (I didn't think it would be obtainable). → AA (talk) — 14:55, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Replied. → AA (talk) — 13:44, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
New Reply. → AA (talk) — 14:03, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

You might enjoy listening to the commentary on this video. :-) → AA (talk) — 23:05, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

re: Biman JSTOR

Only a 1 sentence mention. I've emailed you. --Ragib 22:02, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Biman: Sandbox

  • Replied. → AA (talk) — 15:29, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Replied. Also, see comments in your sandbox. → AA (talk) — 16:39, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Replied. → AA (talk) — 22:15, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Replied. → AA (talk) — 04:37, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Replied regarding Swissport. → AA (talk) — 08:39, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I think the article is ready for its FAC attempt now (once the two remaining points in the review have been settled). Let me know what you think. → AA (talk) — 12:12, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Go for it (plus see Reply). → AA (talk) — 16:27, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Biman Bangladesh Airlines

I did it - nominated it for FAC. Please assist in getting it to FA status. Many thanks. → AA (talk) — 08:55, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

congrats

Hello Aditya, congratulations on getting Biman Bangladesh Airlines promoted to FA status. I'm glad to have helped a tiny bit. Sorry I wasn't able to do more for the article, but I've been preoccupied with other matters. Oh well. I'm glad that the article was promoted, you should be proud of your (and others') hard work! --Kyoko 14:00, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello, I don't know if I'll participate in the RfA, because I generally dig through a nominee's contributions before expressing an opinion, and that takes time. I'll take a peek at the article you mentioned. Thanks for your kind words! --Kyoko 23:56, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

FAC 04: Sitakunda Upazila

PR

Hi Aditya,

Sorry, I'm too busy to do a full time PR. A quick glance reveals that you need to remove the subsections, format units correctly (See Climate of India) and get it copyedited. Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 13:41, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Sitakunda and Bangladesh

I have learned about Bangladesh and its political system, more or less like India. Can u explain a bit the differences with Indian context. Is Division = State, District=District and Upazila=Subdivision? The Sitakunda article is going on the right way and hope it will become a FA soon. Amartyabag TALK2ME 10:32, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I am quite surprised by the job, it is quite hard to get the info in the district level in this region(North Bengal). If u check the Darjeeling, Kalimpong, Gangtok articles (they all are FA) u will be able to see that the Media section is almost the same. Add up the info what u get, state where the papers are printed and the names. Amartyabag TALK2ME 02:16, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Chittagong pictures

Here is the picture of Chandranath Peak and Temple.

Hope we will get more pic within few days. one of our wikipedians is now at cox's bazar. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bellayet (talk • contribs) 18:31, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Re:SU

I am inactive for a while, but I will look at and work on the pilgrimage section soon, so that we can get FA status. Thank you for thinking of me.Bakaman 21:17, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Sitakunda Upazila

That's really beyond me. I know little or nothing about the area and I am still to get off from the DYK level to the FA level. I am still to get a hang of the FA and GA spirit. I am sorry, I am not able to help. Regards. - P.K.Niyogi (talk) 16:06, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

sorry, maybe later?

Hi Aditya, I'm not feeling my best at the moment, and I don't have the energy right now to tackle a major overhaul of the Sitakunda Upazila article. I'm sorry. I'd be happy to help you in the future, if you are willing to wait. --Kyoko 02:03, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for understanding. I have a backlog of things to catch up on here and elsewhere, and I want to take care of items that take less concentration (like replies) first while I recover. Thanks again. --Kyoko 16:51, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

thanks

Hi Aditya, thank you for the well-wishes. I'm feeling better but now I'm very busy with stuff in real life, and I don't know how much time I'll be able to devote to the Sitakunda Upazila rewrite. I do want to help, but I probably won't be able to work on it every day. I hope you understand. --Kyoko 12:50, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

About Celt (tool)

Hello! You asked at User talk:Wetman how to clear up your usage of Neolithic celt signifying tool at Sitakunda Upazila. Wikipedia already has an article Celt (tool), which explains why this ill-defined word for a variety of shaped blades has been superceded. What does the literature that is more recent than 1886 and 1917 call these particular tools that you mention? A more defined modern term would solve any issue, I should think. Can't be more helpful, as I can't offer the modern term myself. --Wetman (talk) 07:47, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Help

Yea, sure thing! One quick question - how much information are you looking for? ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:41, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Heh, it's a little unfortunate that I don't usually write on the North Indian Ocean cyclones, and as such I'm finding some difficulties in getting information for the specific city. I'm slightly concerned that the article says that the city was hit by floods and cyclones in 5 different years - does that really mean that both floods and cyclones separately hit the city? Given that the entire article is only on the city (and not on Climate of Sitakunda Upazila, for example), I'm not even sure more information on cyclones is needed. Unless you find out that one cyclone was particularly deadly in the city, I don't know if I can help out; a Google search for "Sitakunda Upazila" + cyclone yields few results, and I don't believe any of them would be helpful (several seem to be Wikipedia copies). One quick idea, though. Since the climate section is just one paragraph, maybe just make it a sub-section for the Geography section?

Also, just a few heads up before you get to your first FA. The usage of the word here borders on self-referencing, which should be avoided. Per the manual of style, numbers less than 10 should be spelled out (four, not 4), and numbers 10 and larger should be connected with the subsequent word with a non-breaking space (10 mills, not 10 mills - check this in the edit window). Good luck with the article! --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:58, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I just assumed that upazila was a city. What I meant about the floods and cyclones was that the text reads like cyclones affected the area in those five years, and in those same years flooding affected the area. Was the flooding caused by the cyclones, or were those five years that had both cyclones and flooding separately affect the city (like a cyclone hitting in May and a flood hitting it in November)? I still think the climate section should be a sub-section of geography - that way, readers won't expect to have a full climate section (which might not be needed, since the article is already fairly long). I have a few questions while giving it a quick read-through. Is all of the information in the lede used in the article somewhere? Since the lede is supposed to be a summary of the article, the info should appear later. If it is already used, you could remove the references in the lede for less controversial pieces of information. I'm not sure if there is too much information; that is, I'm slightly concerned that some parts of the article might be somewhat redundant with surrounding regions, such as the article on Chittagong region with the history section. That said, it might not be an issue on the FAC, in which case you wouldn't need to worry about it. Let me know when you're going for FA, and I'll give it one last look-through before it passes :) --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:18, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't quite think that template is needed, unless you added a few other storms. However, as I said before, the article is on the overall district, not the climate of the district, so you need to be careful of not adding too much information. I don't think it needs to be part of the geography section, nor should the geography section be expanded. The only reason I mentioned a possible section merge was to cut down on the overall number of sections, which might be useful given that the article is already 72 kb long. I think the information on the 1991 cyclone could be trimmed down to one sentence. In fact, I personally think the entire climate section should be trimmed down to one paragraph, and then merge into the geography section. It's easier to fill up an article with 100 kb of trivia than to write a comprehensive article in less than 50 kb, and I personally believe that its length might be one of its problems on its FAC. I'm not terribly familiar with this type of article, but that is just how I feel. Perhaps those sort of issues should be dealt with other editors in the Bangladesh WikiProject. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 01:44, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
It's still at 72 kb, but I'll let others worry about that. Regarding the table in the geography and climate section (nice - I like them merged), I still don't see a need for it, as it's a bit misleading (the deaths listed, for example, are the total deaths, not specifically the deaths in Sitakunda). Again, given that it isn't an article on the climatology on Sitakunda, but rather just an overview, I don't think there should be a table, as there could be dozens more cyclones on the list. I do like the smaller number of sections, though. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 00:27, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

sorry

Hello Aditya, I should have replied to your message earlier. I'm afraid that I won't be able to help you anytime soon in the rewriting of Sitakunda Upazila because of issues in real life that will likely keep me away from Wikipedia for an extended period of time. I'm sorry. --Kyoko 15:02, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Sitakunda Upazila

Hi there Aditya, I hope you are well! I've just completed a very brief look over at the article and have to say I think it is looking very very good! You are doing excellent work. I think the best thing for now would be to have another copyeditor go back over the article (besides me) and "proofread" the article for clarity, etc. Two reasons: 1. More eyes are always better than less. Even though I have very strict personal editing styles, they are just styles and others' may see the article in new light. Simply put, another editor with copyediting experience may be able to see things that I won't or can't. It's like reading your own writing - you just can't see what others' can. I learnt that as a student (eons ago), a writer, a teacher... I would recommend bringing it back to the WP:LOCE project for proofreading. If you need any assistance in doing this, let me know on my talkpage! My second reason? I'm way too busy (here and in real life) to do the article the justice it deserves. Thanks - happy editing, Keeper | 76 20:04, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Good news, have you heard?

See here!]. Your perseverance has been rewarded! Great job on the article! Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:59, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah! i knew it would go through, i think the review was bit tough, i think make some necessary cpedits if needed and move for a FA. Its not far away, i can see it in the horizon waiting to be achieved. Congrats for the achievement Amartyabag TALK2ME 05:28, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Sitakunda Upazila looks great. Planning for an FAC?--Dwaipayan (talk) 10:22, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
anytime!! After a long gap, I am in wikipedia actively for some time, and nominated Mr. and Mrs. Iyer for FAC. Have a look.--Dwaipayan (talk) 11:47, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Actually i am busy wid my studies, so i will not be able to help u with the issues (if raised) but certainly i will give my say in the FAC. I can see there are a few experienced Wikipedian like Dwaipayan are having a watch on the article. Passing the article wouldn't be that hard wid their help. Go for it. -- Amartyabag TALK2ME 15:57, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Got your message, Aditya. Wow, do you not ever sleep? FAC already??? Good for you! I wish you the best with it. To list an article for copyediting, simply go to the requests page for the league. Before you list it, make sure it meets the request criteria, which BTW, I think this does. I would wait until it's a FAC "officially" so you can use the "FAC" in the template to get proper attention. I'll be watching for it over there. Note, though, that I won't be copyediting it myself. After reading that article a bazillion times, I don't think I could objectively copyedit anything else (like proofreading your own writing-nearly impossible to catch things that others will see easily). Good luck! Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:34, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

About Sitakunda Upazila

Bhaia, I am really sorry as I didn't notice that. I have started reading the article and will give you constructive feedback at its talk page very soon. Cheers. -- Niaz(Talk • Contribs) 16:00, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Trust me, I didn't have any bad intention instead I went there to help you. I was surprised to see such a big claim unreferenced, later by your reply in the edit summery I found its references few lines bellow. Actually, I saw in peer review page your request and went there to provide you a constructive feedback. By next weekend I will write a feedback on its talk page. BTW, congratulations to bring up to GA and I'm sure you can pass it on FA as well. Just one off-topic issue, I have started working on Bengali literature. It will be really nice if you give 5-10 min per week to review that article and comment/guide on my work and progress. Cheers. -- Niaz(Talk • Contribs) 19:15, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I am also working (though irregularly) on List of universities in Bangladesh. Since lists are direct Featured List candidate and there is no GA stage available (as far I know), we have to make it perfect before we nominate it. I'll get back to you and other wikipedians who are working on this list very soon with updates. In the mean time I have selected Bengali literature article to work because of mainly two reasons, it is related to my field of interest and I think enough online references are also available. Staying in abroad, it is really difficult to manage off-line references :-(. I need your and other active Bangladeshi and Bengali (West Bengal) wikipedian's guideline regarding this issue. Cheers. -- Niaz(Talk • Contribs) 12:36, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

GA

And congratulations to you for Sitakunda Upazila. Right now I suddenly have become very busy with real life. I'll concentrate more on BD related topics once I have some spare time. Arman (Talk) 07:21, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Hey

Yep, I'm an admin now - thanks! I'm having some free time right now, so I copyedited your article on Riya Sen, and came up with some comments.

  • Be sure to add {{Cite web}} to every reference, as I saw one without it and didn't check for more.
  • Double check the Wikilinks. I found a few that were redirects.
  • In the lede, I wasn't really sure how to mention that her race is Bengali, so, if you want it included, you might want to try and find another way to put it in there. Before, however, it didn't make much sense in its placement.
  • In the lede, was there any particular reason you chose those works? Also, there should be uniformity between how you present those works. The first you mention was a musical, the second has nothing, the third was comedy-drama, the fourth has nothing, and the fifth was labeled as Malayalam, then had its plot described. The first and third follow a format, so I recommend doing something like that for the rest.
  • There is no mention of her early life, such as when she was born, or where, in the body of the article; it'd be nice to have it included and, of course, be sourced.
  • How old was she when she was in her first movie?
  • It'd be nice to know how big, and what type, her role was in her first major film. It'd also be nice if you could create an article for the movie Style, and a stub would be fine.
  • There are places in the article where the scope goes beyond what it should. For example, I recommend trimming down on the first paragraph of acting career; these sentences seem to have little to do with the subject of the article (excluding the first five words).
    • A launch pad for Riya, Sharman Joshi, Sahil Khan and Shilpi Mudgal, the film pioneered a trend of commercial success for small budget films in India. Both the female leads were replaced, by aspirant actersses Sunali Joshi and Jaya Seal, in Xcuse Me, the sequel of Style.
  • The second and third paragraphs of acting career seem out of order, or contradictory. The second starts off with saying how most of "her other films have not done as well." Some of the wording/writing should be improved there, as I found it confusing. In the third paragraph, it says how that one film was a success on a small budget, but it doesn't say how successful it was.
  • Is her mother's name "Moonmoon" or "Moon moon"? Both are used in the article.
  • At the end of the first paragraph of "Non-Hindi films", there is a confusing sentence. A remake of the Bengali film Hei Brishtir Raat, also featured her mother Moon Moon. Does that mean Sen appeared in that movie with her mother? The second paragraph of that section got me very confused, and should be re-checked.

I only got to the Non-Hindi films section, as it appears the article still needs some work. One thing I noticed later in the article was this.

  • ...she underwent a detoxification session in Bangkok for addiction to chocolates - did I read that right? There's no other mention of a chocolate addition in the article. If that is correct and it was serious, it'd be nice if it could be expanded a bit.

Regarding Sitakunda Upaluza, here are some quick comments.

  • In June 2007, Sitakunda was badly affected by mudslides, along with Chittagong and Hathazari - that's in the history section. I think it might be appropriate to put it in the geography and climate section, and maybe clarify how often/rare that mudslides are in the upaliza.
  • Also, I worry that the history section is too broad for this article. Remember, the is already an article on the history of Bangladesh, as well as an article on Chittagong District. I don't know if this has been discussed, but I find that a bit of a problem.
  • Any reason in "Geography and Climate" that "char" in "char land" is italicized?
  • One thing I noticed in both articles: when you're doing a list, be sure that there is a comma after every item except for the last one. It should be "boy, girl, and dog", not "boy, girl and dog."
  • In "adminstration", there is a link to "thana", which is a redirect.

Alright, now back to hurricane articles - that was too many Asian articles for one night ;) Good luck with the articles. Oh, how would you like to return the favor, by commenting on an FAC of mine - it didn't hit Bangladesh, but the storm close to your part of the globe. Cheers. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:54, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Sitakunda Upazila

Hi Aditya, it's great to know that Sitakunda Upazila has become a GA, and I'm glad to have helped! It took a lot of hard work all around! --Kyoko 10:59, 3 April 2008 (UTC)