Talk:Adi Nes

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[edit] homoerotic?

I'm not really comfortable with using this word twice in a two-paragraph article. The Nes photos are only homoerotic if you imagine that women don't look at photographs, or that like in the (civilian) USA men never touch one another...or that handcuffed people are sexy... The artist's politics and sensibility are subverted if the viewer is prepped to approach them with prurience. Did Nes himself say that the photos are meant to be sexy?
Praz Delavallade gallery has the sample of Nes I've looked at the longest, maybe I'm missing a portion of his work[1].
I want to take "homoerotic" out for NPOV and Global but thought I'd say something first...
~ Otterpops 12:15, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

At the very least the article should describe his oeuvre as "widely described as homoerotic" (just Google "adi nes" homoerotic). I've spoken to Jack Shainman (Nes' exclusive US dealer) who described the work using language similar to what I put in the article ("Nes' early work tries to subvert the stereotype of the macho, masculine male Israeli by using homoeroticism and sleeping, vulnerable figures.") Again, maybe inserting "has been characterized as" with a cite to the NYT or whatever would solve this. Fireplace 13:53, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Made the change and added a source, see what you think. Fireplace 15:13, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Very nicely done, thank you. I did look for some reviews of Nes shows on the web after I wrote this and yes, you're right, it was all over the place, "erotic erotic erotic". Maybe there should be something in there countering what he says he's doing with how he's received??? One of the things I kept thinking of when looking at the 'Soldiers' photographs was that they flew in the face of the Western stereotype of the Jewish man as a wimpy bookish praying moneylender with an overbearing mom...
His new work is beautifully done and striking - he took pictures of the poor that we ignore on the street every day and assigned them names of Biblical figures. Who do we respect and revere? Who do we move away from on the bus? It could be treated like a party game ("Name that Biblical figure") or it could make you think really hard.
Thank you, Fireplace. :)
~ Otterpops 14:49, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

The article as it is now should provide plenty of cultural background. The American/European stereotype of the Jewish man is not what's called into question here, as you can see by reading the article. In fact, the way Israelis are stereotyped and the way non-Israeli Jews are is quite different. Nes's photography dialogues with the former. And yes, it's homoerotic. LeaHazel : talk : contribs 13:12, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I have a very non-NPOV opinion of people who look at exhausted boys sleeping in their clothes six to a room and can only think of sex. A gay photographer is only capable of making gay photographs? Pfft! ~ Otterpops 13:40, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

It's not of relevance to the state of the article, unless you are proposing an edit that removes any reference to homoerotic interpretations of Nes's photography. For future reference, though, colons are used to indent one's additions to talk pages so the discussion is logically ordered. LeaHazel : talk : contribs 15:37, 6 April 2007 (UTC)