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[edit] Sources?

The article presents three external links: this person's website, an article in IMDB about her, and something billed as "Peanuts interview". IMDB articles can be self-penned, and the third of these links appears not to mention her. -- Hoary (talk) 12:32, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I can not read Japanese so I am not sure if she is mentioned, however she is in one of the pictures. Just be aware she is often credited as Laura Windrath, which if going through babbelfish, may get butchered. --I Write Stuff (talk) 13:54, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm not looking at Babelfish. The page is about somebody called Uchimura Teruyoshi (or Teruyoshi Uchiyama, as en:WP's daft rules would dictate). A single photograph shows a woman; its caption identifies her as a Russian, and the text seems to say that she's played by somebody called Rōra, which may indeed be Laura. The article is not a source for anything else about her. -- Hoary (talk) 14:42, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
As Hoary mentions above, the interview linked to simply mentions that a person called Laura played the part of Toscania (a Russian wife). It is a borderline case as to whether this qualifies as a verifiable reference, but I am inclined to leave it in at the moment. --DAJF (talk) 02:44, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
I think it's a good enough reference for this rather trivial fact about her. What I was objecting to was the way in which this hagiography (as it then was) had no sourcing. And although it's no longer as hagiographic, it still doesn't, aside from this one source for this one TV acting role. REFIMPROVE seems mild; UNREFERENCED seems called for. -- Hoary (talk) 02:57, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
These here, anyone? Yukan Fuji Shimbun: http://www.zakzak.co.jp/gei/2008_04/g2008041605_all.html
THE TVAsahi: http://www.tv-asahi.co.jp/ss/100/girl/top.html
the huge Morinaga company: http://blog2.morinaga.co.jp/biscuit/2008/03/post-b87b.html
(same as above): http://blog2.morinaga.co.jp/biscuit/2008/04/post-b9ca.html
Silver Kamen http://www.silverkamen.com/silverkamen/sil_story.html
Primadam http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/プリマダム
same: http://www.ne.jp/asahi/uyan/hondana/0604puri
OKWave http://okwave.jp/qa3840203.html
JT News http://www.jtnews.jp/cgi-bin/review.cgi?TITLE_NO=4336 and much more to come. count on me!Tsurugaoka (talk) 14:51, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

The article remains wretchedly sourced. We are told such stuff as Adeyto has photographed Arai Akino, Chara, Christian Plouvier, Hayato Mizuta of brain drive, ASAKI (AOP), Juliane, Shinji of DMBQ, Kyo (Dir en grey), Mia Dambron and other artists and actors for various media with a grand total of zero evidence. If you have a specific source for a specific claim, then add that specific source to the specific claim, via a footnote. -- Hoary (talk) 15:40, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Now a list has been shoveled in. However, there's no indication of what's where.

Look, here's how you do it:

Here is a sentence containing a fact that should be "sourced".<ref>Author, "[http://blahblah.com/blahblah.html Title]", website; accessed on [[day]] [[month]] [year]].</ref>

Simple! -- Hoary (talk) 15:50, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I have a feeling Tsurugaoka is still learning the system. You or I could bang out pretty references till the cows come home, but I don't read or speak Japanese. Note of course that the sources being Japanese will never preclude their being acceptable sources. He can have all the time needed, since notability is clearly established--this is all just a clean up operation, nothing more. There is no rush. Lawrence Cohen § t/e 15:55, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
I have now inserted the sources Tsuruoka found into the article as inline citations. [1] is not a valid reference, as it is just a web answer forum. Also, the Morinaga interviews say Adeyto was born in Germany, while the ZAKZAK article says she was born in Strasbourg, France, which adds to the confusion. More citations are still required. --DAJF (talk) 23:13, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gutting

Can I ask why so many people are taking extra-aggressive actions on this article, relative to most? It's downright bizarre. Lawrence Cohen § t/e 13:03, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

ha ha, I know why!! they're all friends of Just_This_Guy who was the one to kill the entire article in first place. And now since it would be too blatant if he himselfs does stuff here, his little soldier ants are trying to bite & poke at it in order to do any dammage possible, so that GUY can feel happy again. Tsurugaoka (talk) 14:10, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Can you specify one of these "extra-aggressive actions"? Then the extra-aggressor might be able to give a direct answer, in addition to being described as an ant. -- Hoary (talk) 15:40, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
your answer says everything, yea, I first met you on GUY's talk right? And here you are again! About who the aggressors are, take my advice and -just look in the mirror- Tsurugaoka (talk) 15:55, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Tsurugaoka, don't let anything bait you--just focus on working up the references. Take a look at two articles I wrote, and how I formatted the references: Storm botnet and Bezhin Meadow. You can steal the formatting I have there. You want to make the inline sources like that. At least one reference to a sentence, ideally, but that level of complex is NOT required. Anyone who tries to say otherwise is wrong. But, it's a nice thing to build it out that much. Lawrence Cohen § t/e 15:58, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Perfect work and thank you for the offer to learn from your great articles. Now, some references talk about more than one point in this article that could be proven with that. So can I use same reference couple of times, yes? damn, we're having a very VERY prolonged Earthquake in Japan just as i type this in! Tsurugaoka (talk) 16:05, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
You certainly can reuse articles and sources more than once, to get various bits of information from them. Look at Bezhin_Meadow#cite_note-EGS_.C5.BDi.C5.BEek_BM-2 for example. And you're editing THROUGH an earthquake??? Gah! Lawrence Cohen § t/e 16:12, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
gee, the earthquake was back with two soft interludes and now the 4th one that really made me stand up to hold my book shelves, a pity I didn't have a free hand to shoot a video of it with my handy phone. but so far, if an earthquake is really bad, it will be so brutal from the very first seconds and will throw you in the air. so anything that doesn't do that doesn't move me from my keyboard. unless all the books seem to fall over me. Thanks again, I will paste the links in proper spaces in the days to come. Also there are magazines/interviews that aren't on a website, it's ok to post just a text info about the publication? or shall i scan the publications that I can find and upload them anywhere and then link here to them and hope those liks will last in time? And for example the concert she did in front of 600 people last month, does not have a web site (as not all people here waste their lives trapped in the net) even if it's quite notable so there's just flyer material. or, the Tokyo Dome concert where she was DJ for XJapan in front of 500.000 people is still too new to have print material about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tsurugaoka (talk • contribs) 17:05, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
"Print only" sources are fine, as long as they meet the reliable source guidelines - Here is another guide for adding sources: WP:CITE. Also - be safe in those tremmors! Trout Ice Cream (talk) 17:47, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Print sources are always legitimate. But a concert in front of 600 people is simply not notable. That's the kind of trivia that makes people cynically suspect that she's really just a nobody with an eager fan or two pumping up her reputation. --Orange Mike | Talk 00:34, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Maybe not notable for you but indeed notable for the Japanese media that made a nation-wide report about it in the Yukan Fuji newspaper and TV wide show. It's because she was singing the traditional Japanese Enka, not whatever random music and last year the famous Enka "God" Kitajima Saburo took part in the same "Orinkai" Charity Dinner Show. When you have the richest society comming to the show, 600 is more than enough as you probably can't fit more around a limited number of tables in a hall with walls that limit it. Go figure.Tsurugaoka (talk) 03:31, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
I read: your answer says everything, yea, I first met you on GUY's talk right? And here you are again! About who the aggressors are, take my advice and -just look in the mirror- Oh, they are me. Ah. Now, perhaps my intelligence may be no more than that of an ant, and perhaps this is why my answer doesn't say everything to me. Aside from the tagging (not by me, as far as I can recall) of every assertion of a movie appearance, where's the beef (or formalin or whatever)? -- Hoary (talk) 04:23, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
you are just one of them, prissy, self-important editors that make this place a bore. Tsurugaoka (talk) 11:25, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
This line of "discussion" is inappropriate. Stop it now - all of you. Please consider striking your comments that are not about the content of the article. TheRedPenOfDoom (talk) 12:00, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I have not seen "extra-aggressive actions" on this page (ok the request for cite for every film appearance is probably a bit extreme, but still within the bounds of WP:V editors who want to add information need to be able to verify it if challenged)- any articles that are as (self-)promotional as this one is/was get (deservedly) major pruning. Trout Ice Cream (talk) 16:11, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

It hasn't been self-promotional since everyone descended on it. Nonsense like tagging EVERY film in the filmography with a {{fact}} tag is just plain disruptive. Lawrence Cohen § t/e 16:12, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Still, the following of this trivial article with such extreme speed and force (I see it was just notability tagged yet again) in the wake of the community undoing Guy's actions is disturbing. It's literally nothing more than a clean-up job after a bad deletion was undone and notability was demonstrated. Lawrence Cohen § t/e 16:23, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm lost. Is cleaning up disturbing? Or is the term "clean-up" being used here in some figurative way? -- Hoary (talk) 04:23, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Lets all just concentrate on the content of the article. TheRedPenOfDoom (talk) 04:30, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Birthplace contradiction

I mentioned this in the discussion above, but will repeat it here in case it gets lost among the other points being discussed. The ZAKZAK article says she was born in Strasbourg, France, but the Morinaga interview article says she was born in Germany. I have used the ZAKZAK article as a reference source, since it appears more detailed, but this apparent contradiction will need clearing up. --DAJF (talk) 05:36, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Too much of a challenge? -moved from someone's talk-

I have noticed that a couple of you (no names here) exclusively undo stuff or erase information from the Adeyto article instead of adding new one (well, except for the word Strasbourg).

So before I might officially declare your actions to be plain malevolent and disruptive, I take one more chance into good will. Since a couple of you here (except me that gets all edits undone for some reasons) know more than enough Japanese, I challenge you to kindly ADD information and citations to the Adeyto article.

You can find plenty of it, I'll give you some ideas (you would have never thought of) for example translating from http://www.zakzak.co.jp/gei/2008_04/g2008041605_all.html that states about her "fantastic (or whatever you consider appropriate but not self-praising term)" performance of Japanese Enka music during the "(6th) Orinkai Charity Dinner Show", her upcoming Album of Japanese hit songs recorded in French to be released this summer, or the mention about Adeyto having her talents for Enka being discovered by the former First Lady of Indonesia, Ratna Sari Dewi Sukarno that says "this is a miracle (feel free to cite her words)".

Yes, for a change, why not translate and add more information from the Morinaga article instead of being stuck at the fact it's saying she's born in Germany.

And I will give you few more links that I found the other day while searching for the proof DAJF needed for her regular shows, I found that one too but first let's see this interviews:

TVAsahi's Sma-Station interview http://www.tv-asahi.co.jp/ss/100/girl/top.html Tokyo Gaikokujin Book by Enterbrain Publishing http://www.enterbrain.co.jp/jp/p_pickup/2004/tokyo-series/index.html also available here: http://www.adeyto.com/index.htm/Design.php?currDir=./Print&pageType=image&image=Enterbrain1.jpg http://www.adeyto.com/index.htm/Design.php?pageType=image&currDir=./Print&image=Enterbrain2.jpg Eigasha special issue interview http://www.eigasha.com/103-sp-issue/0705/070503.html now available here: http://www.adeyto.com/index.htm/Design.php?currDir=./Print&pageType=image&image=Eigasha-Interview-1.jpg http://www.adeyto.com/index.htm/Design.php?pageType=image&currDir=./Print&image=Eigasha-Interview-2.jpg http://www.adeyto.com/index.htm/Design.php?pageType=image&currDir=./Print&image=Eigasha-Interview-3.jpg Kigyoujuku economics Magazine: http://www.adeyto.com/index.htm/Design.php?currDir=./Print&pageType=image&image=Interview-for-Kigyoujyuku_Mag.jpg

Now to what I was really searching, in order to satisfy an unnamed editor that erased the small list I made with her REGULAR TV appearences saying we can't be sure she was really regular.

I found visual proof of it unless someone can give another logical explanation for her being in the for example Waratte Iitomo studio with all different outfits and hairstyles in each picture (beware I only chose those shot in studio with the logo visible).

IITOMO FujiTV

http://www.adeyto.com/index.htm/Photo.php?currDir=./2003&pageType=image&image=Iitomo23.jpg http://www.adeyto.com/index.htm/Photo.php?currDir=./2003&pageType=image&image=Iitomo24.jpg http://www.adeyto.com/index.htm/Photo.php?currDir=./2003&pageType=image&image=Iitomo30.jpg http://www.adeyto.com/index.htm/Photo.php?currDir=./2003&pageType=image&image=Iitomo31.jpg http://www.adeyto.com/index.htm/Photo.php?currDir=./2003&pageType=image&image=iitomo32.jpg http://www.adeyto.com/index.htm/Photo.php?currDir=./2003&pageType=image&image=Iitomo37.jpg http://www.adeyto.com/index.htm/Photo.php?currDir=./2004&pageType=image&image=IItomo45.jpg http://www.adeyto.com/index.htm/Photo.php?currDir=./2004&pageType=image&image=Iitomo39.jpg http://www.adeyto.com/index.htm/Photo.php?currDir=./2004&pageType=image&image=Iitomo40.jpg http://www.adeyto.com/index.htm/Photo.php?currDir=./2004&pageType=image&image=Iitomo43.jpg http://www.adeyto.com/index.htm/Photo.php?currDir=./2004&pageType=image&image=Iitomo44.jpg http://www.adeyto.com/index.htm/Photo.php?currDir=./2004&pageType=image&image=Iitomo46.jpg

SMASTATION-3 TVASahi

http://www.adeyto.com/index.htm/Photo.php?currDir=./2003&pageType=image&image=SmaSte8.jpg http://www.adeyto.com/index.htm/Photo.php?currDir=./2003&pageType=image&image=SmaSte10.jpg http://www.adeyto.com/index.htm/Photo.php?currDir=./2003&pageType=image&image=SmaSte12.jpg http://www.adeyto.com/index.htm/Photo.php?currDir=./2003&pageType=image&image=SmaSteCr15.jpg http://www.adeyto.com/index.htm/Photo.php?currDir=./2003&pageType=image&image=SmaSteCr14.jpg http://www.adeyto.com/index.htm/Photo.php?currDir=./2004&pageType=image&image=LastSmaste3.jpg http://www.adeyto.com/index.htm/Photo.php?currDir=./2004&pageType=image&image=Smaste64.jpg http://www.adeyto.com/index.htm/Photo.php?currDir=./2004&pageType=image&image=Smaste71

Shouzaburo no Heya TBS

http://www.adeyto.com/index.htm/Photo.php?currDir=./2003&pageType=image&image=ShouzaburoOpening.jpg http://www.adeyto.com/index.htm/Photo.php?currDir=./2003&pageType=image&image=Shouzaburo_25.jpg http://www.adeyto.com/index.htm/Photo.php?currDir=./2003&pageType=image&image=Shouza32.jpg http://www.adeyto.com/index.htm/Photo.php?currDir=./2003&pageType=image&image=Shouza31.jpg http://www.adeyto.com/index.htm/Photo.php?currDir=./2003&pageType=image&image=Shouza38.jpg

K1 World Max TBS http://www.adeyto.com/index.htm/Photo.php?currDir=./2005&pageType=image&image=K1.jpg http://www.adeyto.com/index.htm/Photo.php?currDir=./2006&pageType=image&image=K1-April20062.jpg http://www.adeyto.com/index.htm/Photo.php?currDir=./2006&pageType=image&image=Adeyto_K1_06.2006.jpg http://www.adeyto.com/index.htm/Photo.php?currDir=./2006&pageType=image&image=K1_Grand_Prix_2006.jpg http://www.adeyto.com/index.htm/Photo.php?currDir=./2008&pageType=image&image=K1_Hiroshima.jpg

69 Rock Tribe FujiTV http://www.adeyto.com/index.htm/Photo.php?currDir=./2006&pageType=image&image=Adeyto_69Tribe.jpg http://www.adeyto.com/index.htm/Photo.php?currDir=./2006&pageType=image&image=RockTribe.jpg

Looking forward for how you will actually improve the article given all this publications and uncontestable proofs.Tsurugaoka (talk) 11:38, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Rather than issuing "challenges", feel free to add cited information to the article yourself. If you haven't already, I do suggest that you read Wikipedia:Verifiability, though, as self-published references and photographs aren't exactly considered reliable.
And regarding the comment about translating more from the Morinaga article used as a reference source for the article... It appears to me to be discussing biscuits and German preferences, so I don't think there is much more information of relevance to Adeyto that has not already been included. --DAJF (talk) 06:26, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Tsuruoka's knowledge of and interest in Adeyto seems to outclass those of anyone else here, so he/she should find it a pleasure to edit the article (with verifiable content, of course). -- Hoary (talk) 06:48, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Mmm...was this post of mine ant food? What a delight. Need I mention that there's NO surprise you won't do any good to the article? Sounding like pure envy meanwhile laughable till the end. Thank you for coming out.Tsurugaoka (talk) 13:41, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Never having heard of Adeyto till I encountered this article, I thought I'd already done pretty good with edits such as this; I'm sorry that these disappoint you.
I infer that she's primarily an actress. Nothing wrong with that, and perhaps there's something wrong with me for being chronically uninterested in television. Since I am interested in photography, I was interested in earlier surprising claims, such as "A natural-born photographer and cinematographer Adeyto Rex Angeli, is well known for her work behind the camera, being an inspiration for many other artists." Turns out that she photographs the covers for singles, etc., and good for her but what I've seen there also doesn't happen to interest me much. Dozens of photographers who happen to interest me more have terrible articles here or none at all, so my time is better spent on them. All the best with this article; look on the bright side! -- Hoary (talk) 14:34, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
While I respect your non-interest in television, that differs from gaikokujin-talents-obsessions of mine if you want to say so, you rather not seem to invest your time in articles about photographers but stalk this trivial article and pop-up here especially to change every single post I make. This is a huge contradiction and it will be appropriate if you decide once for all on wich side of the river you want to be. If you come here to cut down (bad?) text, then you should be fair enough and impartial enough to add (good) text especially given the small amount of Japanese readers that could do it. If you don't want to ADD, why come here anyway? Is it because you wanted to revenge your pal Guy? Welldone, now it's time to stop. People like you are rather disruptive to Wikipedia. Myself I have a lot of information for many articles but being constantly attacked like that (so called newbie bashing) and being forced to give all my time here to respond to your aggressiveness, it turns me quite off to collaborate in anything else in Wikipedia, being followed by such stalkers DAJF included. If you can't come to also do good, then move on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tsurugaoka (talk • contribs) 05:04, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Myspace

Wikipedia has Template:MySpace for adding links to MySpace, suggesting to me that links to MySpace have their place.

"WP:LINKSTOAVOID" tells us that:

Except for a link to a page that is the subject of the article or an official page of the article subject—and not prohibited by restrictions on linking—one should avoid: [...] # Links to social networking sites (such as MySpace) [...]

I don't know whether this page is official. Its title (in the HTML sense) is MySpace.com - Adeyto Official Myspace - Tokyo - New Wave / Lounge - www.myspace.com/adeyto (my emphasis), not that this need mean much. It says at the foot ©2003-2008 MySpace.com. All Rights Reserved. which suggests that it belongs to MySpace -- though for all I know that company may impose this on every page.

The page is atrociously designed (small dark red text on patterned pink) and uninformative, but these matters seem incidental. It's also mostly in French, but that too is not an issue.

So I've just now readded this link. If there's an objection, I look forward to reading it. -- Hoary (talk) 00:40, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

It was me that removed the link, but thanks for the clarification. It looks like the link is acceptable since it is to a page that is the subject of the article. --DAJF (talk) 01:37, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. -- Hoary (talk) 02:29, 1 June 2008 (UTC)