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[edit] Asimov's Foundation

After the revert I'd like to open the issue to discussion. I think the heavy influence on the concept of Adeptus Mechanicus from Asimov's Foundation is pretty obvious, even if they don't share the ultimate goals. Especially, the Scientism religion found in the series is so similar that its borderline copyright violation. So in my opinion the Foundation deserves at least a mention in this article. What are your opinions about it? Take care --Xasf 13:43, 06 July 2006 (GMT+3)

The comparision with Scientism is obvious. However, the Foundation is much more than just Scientism, which was just a device the Foundation used to dominate (a region of) the Galaxy, and then for only a limited time. The Foundation understood the devices they made/sold, while the Adeptus Mechanicus don't: that's a fundamental difference in my opinion. Even within Foundation (the novel) itself, Scientism is only one tool the Foundation use: they endured because they were able to adapt to the changing circumstances around them, something which is an anethma to the Adeptus Mechanicus. Cheers --Pak21 12:22, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
What about mentioning Scientism (Foundation) rather than the Foundation itself, then..? Take care --Xasf 15:35, 06 July 2006 (GMT+3)
Sounds good to me. Cheers --Pak21 12:44, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Scientism reference added. Feel free to move it around the article :) Take care --Xasf 16:03, 06 July 2006 (GMT+3)

[edit] Techminator?

It is possible for a Terminator-grade Space Marine to become a Techmarine? It seems to me to be even more powerful than a regular Terminator. Would the more potent be:

David Latapie (✒ | @) 15:46, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Techmarines are assigned to the Chapter Armoury, and are therefore part of the command staff, outside the different Companies of a Codex Chapter. The Codex also demands Terminator units be part of the veteran First Company, with the exception of command officers from the command staff like the Chapter Master. There's a fairly good chance, in other words, that Techmarines will never be Terminators in a Codex Chapter. The Chapters of Ferrus Manus, though, might be willing to do it. They deviate from the First Company Terminator restriction, and have considerable respect for Techmarines and the religion they represent.
--Cygnus360 (not logged in), 27 January 2007
Thank you for your answer. Where could I get more information about Ferrus Magnus?
David Latapie (✒ | @) 03:00, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
The Iron Hands article and Index Astartes, mainly. Ferrus Manus is their Primarch, so what I meant by that was the Iron Hands and their sucessors.
Well, thank you much. Do you know any difference between the Iron Hands and their sucessors (Red Talons or Brazen_Claws?)?
David Latapie (✒ | @) 18:07, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fabricator-General discrepancy?

Some players claim that this title is not unique, however, and that Fabricator General is the rank held of someone who is in charge of any Forge World, as seen in Fanatic Magazine 5, and on the Specialist Games website under the Inquisitor article "Explorator Warbands", and that the position as High Lord is only for the Fabricator General of Mars.

Maybe I'm missing a piece of information here, but surely if GW/SG has confirmed that a Fabricator General rules a Forgeworld, then technically, they do, and it's not just a claim? Or am I missing some salient piece of information? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.201.219.95 (talk) 13:41, 9 February 2007 (UTC). The Librarians sometimes wear Tactical dreadnought (terminator) armor, though, so a techmarine even outside of the iron hands chapter may wear terminator armor. It even might be more accepted, the Tactical Dreadnought armor is a more advanced machine than standard power armour, and tech-priests generally like to be close to machines. Although, with so many cybernetci enhancemnets, it might be hard to get the armor to fit.

[edit] Necrons

Should we put in a part about necrons and Mars? Also connections with the C'Tan and the machine god? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BenWoodruff (talk • contribs) 14:43, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

Since they believe in a spirit that is common to all technology in general, and in specific to technology that benefits humans, the C'Tan diety would not fall into the object of common worship and, if there was any worship of the Dragon, then it would be the same as Chaos following Adeptus Mechanicus. SanchiTachi 00:45, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Calculus Logi?

I know that one of the groups is the Calculus Logi, but wouldn't the group with "Logi" in their title fall under this? They do do "calculations" and it would seem to fit in. I don't remember where the new/old names interconnect, and I only have some of the old Adeptus Mechanicus game books (for the Titan games, etc, from the early 90s). If someone could answer, that would be awesome. SanchiTachi 01:02, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

After checking around, the Inquisitor Sketchbook states that calculus logi and lexmechanics are the same. 172.202.139.96 12:26, 14 June 2007 (UTC)