Template talk:ADB
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[edit] authorlink
Hi - can sombody please remove authorlink as a compulsory field for this template. Many ADB conributors are not notable enough for wikipedia articles.--Golden Wattle talk 23:12, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] ADB also a German biography
See Allgemeine Deutsche Biographie and Neue Deutsche Biographie. Thus, when translating bios, the German ADB template (de:Vorlage:ADB) links to the Australian here. How can that be fixed? -- Matthead DisOuß 08:14, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
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- Seems like a legitimate concern to me. This template should probably be at [[Template:Australian Dictionary of Biography]]. I'll wait a little while to hear if anyone objects, and then make the move. Hesperian 23:38, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
- Certainly a legitimate concern but could we have Template:AustDB to save typing? the lazyMatilda talk 00:47, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
- When you goto the NDB site it uses ADB-NDB logo, since there are the two collections that would use the german template why not just use Template:ADB-NDB or Template:de-ADB Gnangarra 02:33, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
- Certainly a legitimate concern but could we have Template:AustDB to save typing? the lazyMatilda talk 00:47, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
- Seems like a legitimate concern to me. This template should probably be at [[Template:Australian Dictionary of Biography]]. I'll wait a little while to hear if anyone objects, and then make the move. Hesperian 23:38, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
How about using au and de as parameters that work for both, defaulting to au? If that's not possible, can a bot alter all links to ADB-au before we make it a disamb? -- Matthead DisOuß 18:09, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
- I don't want to be pushy on the English language Wikipedia (nor elsewhere), but apparently thousands of existing bios on de-Wiki link to the German (de:Vorlage:ADB), while only 100+ link to the ADB right now one. Oh, I see already 500+ link to Template:Dictionary of Australian Biography, this might get settled soon. -- Matthead DisOuß 18:22, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
I think it would be unwise to choose obscure names like "ADB-au" and "ADB-de", when "Australian Dictionary of Biography" and "Allgemeine Deutsche Biographie" are available. We don't abbreviate article titles for the sake of convenience; I don't see why we would abbreviate template titles. Hesperian 03:56, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
- Uh, this is even more confusing than I thought. First, we need to encourage the migration of the improperly named/used [[Template:Australian Dictionary of Biography]] to the proper Template:Dictionary of Australian Biography. For that, I have replaced the redirect there with source code and a warning sign. If the less than 50 articles are updated, migration from the current use of template:ADB to a non-abbreviated [[Template:Australian Dictionary of Biography]] should take place, affecting hundreds of articles. So, I'll file a Wikipedia:Bot requests to handle the first step. Also, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australia notified. -- Matthead DisOuß 08:14, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
- Bot request was declined/archived: Wikipedia:Bot_requests/Archive_16#Cleaning_up_the_use_of_Biography_templates -- Matthead DisOuß 22:21, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
- Now all wrong uses of [[Template:Australian Dictionary of Biography]] are migrated manually to the proper Template:Dictionary of Australian Biography. Next step is encouraging to move from ADB to [[Template:Australian Dictionary of Biography]]. -- Matthead DisOuß 15:52, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
- I see no consensus for such a move and have remove the info tag from the template. I suggested that the German bio's use the Template:ADB-NDB as that the name of the source yet see no response. Gnangarra 03:27, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- Additionally the reference site is "Australian Dictionary of Biography" not "Dictionary of Australian Biography" and every article moved to that now is falsly attributing the source to another site as these are two different sources. Gnangarra 03:30, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- The Dictionary of Australian Biography, published in 1949, is a reference work by Percival Serle containing information on notable people associated with Australian history. With approximately a thousand entries, the book took more than twenty years to complete. It should not be confused with the multi-volume Australian Dictionary of Biography published by Melbourne University Press in 1966. from Dictionary of Australian Biography Gnangarra 03:35, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- Now all wrong uses of [[Template:Australian Dictionary of Biography]] are migrated manually to the proper Template:Dictionary of Australian Biography. Next step is encouraging to move from ADB to [[Template:Australian Dictionary of Biography]]. -- Matthead DisOuß 15:52, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
- Bot request was declined/archived: Wikipedia:Bot_requests/Archive_16#Cleaning_up_the_use_of_Biography_templates -- Matthead DisOuß 22:21, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
As suggested by Hesperian, and supported by me, the two Aussie bio templates should use their full names, to avoid confusion. Please check if you got it right. ADB then should be depopulated, by replacing "{{ADB|" with "{{Australian Dictionary of Biography|", to make room for a disamb among the three bios, German & twice Aussie. The difference is that German bios get often translated or updated from German Wiki, where the template is already in use over 3000 times. It should at least link to a page where a hint is given how to fix it, rather than linking straight to an Aussie template where no help is provided. I suspect that many translating editors, seeing tha it links to something else here on en-Wiki, have deleted the link to the template, assuming it would not work on en Wiki anyway. Despite this, "Allgemeine Deutsche Biographie" is already used 263 times right now.
In contrast, Aussi bios are likely created from scratch, and the template(s) need to be copied, pasted and manually filled with data anyway. See how the formats compare:
- German ADB format: {{ADB|34|183|184}}, currently here {{de-ADB|34|183|184}}
- Aussie ADB format: {{Australian Dictionary of Biography|last= Bongiorno |first= Frank |authorlink= |year=1996|id=A140036b|title= Drakeford, Arthur Samuel (1878-1957)|accessdate=2007-12-15}}
- Aussie DAB format: {{Dictionary of Australian Biography|First=Edmund|Last=Barton|Link=http://gutenberg.net.au/dictbiog/0-dict-biogBa.html#barton1}}
So, the Aussi templates needs a lot of input work anyway. -- Matthead Discuß 12:43, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Moved to Template: Australian .... completed
See [1]. Thanks.-- Matthead Discuß 22:46, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
- Although the consensus is that this template is deprecated and the instructions give the alternate, I do not believe it is wise to remove the template. Rather if a bot could occasionally go through articles and move them to the preferred template that would be a better outcome. --Matilda talk 23:34, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
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- See Wikipedia:Bot_requests/Archive_17#ADB_to_Australian_Dictionary_of_Biography, a bot did mop up all remaining 200 odd articles, leaving only talk entries etc. Or do you mean keeping the template in case someone adds another article, using Template:ADB by old habit? In that case, I prefer to have it deleted to appear as a red link. Also, there is the issue of translating existing the existing 3000+ de-Wiki articles over to en-Wiki, preferably without changing the source code linking to de:Vorlage:ADB. In that German template, also instructions on the Australian one can be integrated. Currently, over 275 en-Wiki articles (e.g. Johann Evangelist Holzer) already contain "Allgemeine Deutsche Biographie" [2], in one way or another, while only few use the makeshift Template:de-ADB -- Matthead Discuß 00:01, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
- Yes I did mean "keeping the template in case someone adds another article, using Template:ADB by old habit" the Holzer article uses another template and never used this one [3] so I am not sure why there would be confusion but if there was it would have to be fixed no matter what.--Matilda talk 00:14, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
- Only some talk pages link to the template now for some time, so I removed all code, and added a message instead, linking to the three templates, so every editor can find what he looks for. -- Matthead Discuß 02:36, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
- I tarted it up for you. Hesperian 03:04, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks. I also de-activated the remaining links to the template on talk pages etc. Next thing to do, some day, would be a (bot?) cross check to find out which articles on en-Wiki don't have a link to Allgemeine Deutsche Biographie (in any form) while the corresponding ones on de-Wiki do. And even vice versa cases occurr. -- Matthead Discuß 13:24, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
- I tarted it up for you. Hesperian 03:04, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
- Only some talk pages link to the template now for some time, so I removed all code, and added a message instead, linking to the three templates, so every editor can find what he looks for. -- Matthead Discuß 02:36, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
- Yes I did mean "keeping the template in case someone adds another article, using Template:ADB by old habit" the Holzer article uses another template and never used this one [3] so I am not sure why there would be confusion but if there was it would have to be fixed no matter what.--Matilda talk 00:14, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
- See Wikipedia:Bot_requests/Archive_17#ADB_to_Australian_Dictionary_of_Biography, a bot did mop up all remaining 200 odd articles, leaving only talk entries etc. Or do you mean keeping the template in case someone adds another article, using Template:ADB by old habit? In that case, I prefer to have it deleted to appear as a red link. Also, there is the issue of translating existing the existing 3000+ de-Wiki articles over to en-Wiki, preferably without changing the source code linking to de:Vorlage:ADB. In that German template, also instructions on the Australian one can be integrated. Currently, over 275 en-Wiki articles (e.g. Johann Evangelist Holzer) already contain "Allgemeine Deutsche Biographie" [2], in one way or another, while only few use the makeshift Template:de-ADB -- Matthead Discuß 00:01, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
