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[edit] Map

When you look at the map in an old Nintendo Magazine, the map is like North America: Ice and snow in the north. Mountains in the northwest and north (like the Rocky Mountains). Dessert in the south (Kasandora). The mountains east from Kasandora, are east from the dessert like the Appalachian Mountains. Bloodpool can be the great lakes, with the rivers. Fillmore looks a little like Labrador in Canada. Marahna is an island outside, like Cuba.

[edit] Don't get this part...

"The second boss of one village in the game is a false god--in actuality a demon with the head of a cobra--to whom the villagers have been praying." Gosh, I don't remember any cobra-headed false god demons. Is this Kalia? If so, Kalia didn't have a cobra head. He always struck me as wearing a turban, in the ending sequence when all the bosses (Plus the Tanzra Mask) are gazing at you on the pillar in Death Heim, Kalia looked human. Please confirm which boss this god is.

That's what I thought at first, but if you look carefully, he has the head of a hooded snake with very small eyes. --DragonAtma

[edit] What does ActRaiser mean?

Havent been able to find out what Actrasier means. Any thought? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.142.26.172 (talk) 06:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Original Research tag

I removed the original research tag in the section explaining the game's Judeo-Christian allegory as I don't think it's warranted. The introduction text from the japanese sequal explicitly states that the Master from the first game is God, and his opponent Tanzra is Satan.

One point to make about that...
You used the term holy allegory. It seems a little out of place. Allegory would be fine. Also, I don't remember the part where the master himself (of course he couldn't because he doesn't speak; but does the angel speak for the master?) And I thought the master was leaving the world with the intention of never returning, believing his work done. There seems to be a bit too much religiosity in that paragraph, and not enough objectivity.
It's OK to notice intuitive similarities and references, but connecting them to anything concrete, let alone political or ideological should be a cautious enterprise. It is true that the game is an allegory to Judeo-Christianity, however. Tcaudilllg 01:05, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Actually, I would argue that the story takes a decidedly secular perspective. In the game, the people do many things without God's help, including (inexplicably) casting out demons. While the player must choose an option while in god mode to have the demons cast out, the angel always reports afterwards, "Master! The townspeople got rid of the demons without our help!"
Also, at the end of the game, the townspeople become too "advanced" to need religion. And as Tcaudilllg accurately reports, "the master was leaving the world with the intention of never returning, believing his work done." Christianity, on the other hand, teaches humanity's complete and constant need for God. The notion of "advancing" away from God is not only impossible in the Christian worldview, it's outright heretical.
Mind you, I'm not starting a religious debate here. My concern is accurately describing the worldview as portrayed in the game. I'd like to change the wording to say something to the effect of "This game mixes some elements of Judeo-Christianity with elements of secular philosophy." But I'm willing to hear other viewpoints on this. -- Tom H12 (talk) 18:15, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Verifiability#Sources in languages other than English and Wikipedia:When to cite. ~ Hibana 02:02, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
"For he so loved mankind that he didn't care whether they believed in him or not..." 24.137.126.153 (talk) 01:11, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I would argue that the story takes a decidedly secular perspective. In the game, the people do many things without God's help, including (inexplicably) casting out demons. While the player must choose an option while in god mode to have the demons cast out, the angel always reports afterwards, "Master! The townspeople got rid of the demons without our help!"

Its not decidedly unchristian to say demons can be cast out 'without God's help'. (emphasis in the text bellow was added)

John said to Jesus, “Teacher, we saw someone driving out demons in your name. We tried to stop him, because he wasn't a follower like us.” But Jesus said, “Don't stop him! For no one who works a miracle in my name can slander me soon afterwards. For whoever is not against us is for us. Truly I tell you, whoever gives you a cup of water to drink because you belong to Christ will never lose his reward.” - Mark 9:38

and also

“Not everyone who keeps saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will get into the kingdom of heaven, but only the person who keeps doing the will of my Father in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, we prophesied in your name, drove out demons in your name, and performed many miracles in your name, didn't we?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you evildoers!’”

Its true the player must choose options from the menu, however, I don't think The Master's palace (in the game's fiction) is actually equipped with menus. As for the Angel's comments, either this is bad writing/plot hole, or purposefully done to emphasize that The Master is all-knowing and his angel is not.--76.191.180.179 (talk) 07:56, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

What I would really like to know, and I think it might help settle this confusion, is what religion was the games creators, and if not Judeo-Christian in nature, then where is the source of their information on the subject?--76.191.180.179 (talk) 08:01, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Religious Subtext?

Please, it just a fcking side-scroller. That section should be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.24.21.130 (talk) 16:14, 10 March 2008 (UTC)