User talk:Acps110

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Hello! I see you're looking for a more experienced editor to adopt you. I hereby offer to adopt you. I have some experience editing templates. For example, I modified the Simple English Wiktionary verb template to allow the user to give, for example, "hurr|y" as arguments and it will print out "hurry hurries hurried hurried hurrying". I hope that in helping you I will also learn more about templates myself. Please reply here or at my talk page to let me know whether you accept my offer. --Coppertwig (talk) 16:20, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I accept your offer! Thanks! Take a look at my contributions at some of the NYC Subway related templates. (IRT Flushing Line(template), BMT Astoria Line(template), BMT Jamaica Line(template), BMT Brighton Line(template), Chrystie Street Connection(template), etc.) When editing these templates, I'm getting some unexpected link sizes and placement because of extra or not enough pipes in each line. If you could give me some guidence on that behavior, I would really appreciate it! Thanks! Acps110 (talk) 01:52, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi! Happy to try to help. I'm not sure if I can or not! What do you mean by link sizes? Could you be more specific: perhaps mention one or two specific versions of a template and which part of the template is a problem? Could you perhaps give an example of a version that looks wrong, so I can try to see what you mean? You might want to create a sandbox to play around with them, e.g. create a page with a name like User:Acps110/Testing NYCT templates or whatever. To make it easier to show me the wrong behaviour of the templates. --Coppertwig (talk) 03:25, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I've added the User:Acps110/Testing NYCT templates to my userspace, so you can see the incorrect placement. I couldn't figure out how to get each template into a different section, either. If you could help me figure out what's going on with these pipes in these templates, and these markup issues I'm having with the sections, I'd appreciate it! Thanks, Matthew aka Acps110 (talk) 00:57, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry, you're going to have to be more specific. Just saying something is wrong somewhere on the page doesn't tell me what to look for. Where exactly did you add or remove pipes? What do you see different in the display? Is it that the words have moved to the right various distances?
Note that you're not only using templates, you're also using tables. I suspect the pipes are for the table syntax. Basically, adding or removing pipes will move an item one column to the right or left in a table.
The table syntax begins with {| , which I see right after the defaultsort template. The next line of table syntax is something like |- and this syntax is comtained within the B53 template I think (or maybe the LUECKE template).
example table
item in column 1 | item in column 2 | item in solumn 3
item in column 3 only
item in column 1|item in column 2 |item in solumn 3
| | item in column 3 only
item in solumn 3
Actually, that's strange! The columns in this example table aren't coming out the way I expect. I'll look into this more later and see if I can figure out what's happening.? --Coppertwig (talk) 02:10, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Contents

[edit] more table examples

OK, I looked at the "help" page Help:Table and it says among other things "If you use single bars, then what you think the first cell is in fact a format modifier applied to the cell, and the the rest of your "cells" are merged into one". So maybe now I get it.

header 1 header 2 header 3
row 1, cell 1 row 1, cell 2 row 1, cell 3
row 2, cell 1 row 2, cell 2 row 2, cell 3
first column second column third column
third column only
right
second
third
right second third
second | third
align=right second third

OK, so I think what you're using in that template is a table using couble-pipe syntax, and with some cells empty. Each row is like this: | first item || second item || third item In other words, a single pipe at the left, and double pipes separating each of the other elements. But if you remove one pipe from the double pipes, maybe it changes it to a different interpretation.

header 1 header 2 header 3
cell 1 cell 2 cell 3
cell 3, after others cells are empty
oops, left one pipe out by mistake

In the above table, when I left out one pipe, I guess it was expecting double pipes, so it didn't interpret the one pipe as a delimiter. It seems to have just ignored it.

When the cell info is on different lines, you only need one pipe for each, but when more than one cell is on the same link I think you need a double pipe to separate two cells.

Well, anyway, I've learned something here. I hope it helps you. ==Coppertwig (talk) 15:07, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Cool!!!! That helps a-lot. I looked at the Tables page and discovered how to turn the borders on which helps me for editing purposes. I added the borders on the test page, so now you can see more clearly. Each line that has <<<< on it is an incorrect placement item missing or added pipes, with the item in the middle of those with the correct placement.
Now I can turn borders on when I'm editing, and see more clearly where I've left out or added (un)necessary pipes. :-) I was assuming that only a single pipe separated cells, but now I can see that it's two pipes to separate cells. Thanks! Acps110 (talk) 20:55, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
I took the liberty of editing your userpage to indicate that I'm adopting you. You can terminate the adoption relationship at any time. Just let me know. I could still give you help even if not in an adopter/adoptee relationship. I'm glad the stuff about tables was helpful. I found that confusing at first: the instructions about templates don't really tell you about either tables or parserfunctions, which are very often used within templates. I'll have another look at your templates later when I have time. --Coppertwig (talk) 22:58, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Templates, not tables

Actually, I think the problem you were having was not with tables, but with templates after all.

I could still use more specific information about what the problem is. Maybe you could make two versions of the page, with just one pipe being added or removed between the two versions, and describe to me what you see as being "incorrect" (e.g. a certain word moves too far to the right, etc.)

OK, I think the pipes you were adding and removing had nothing to do with tables. They were pipes separating template arguments, and in that case they act as single pipes, not pairs of pipes.

The template is Template:BS3, and if you look on that page it explains what the arguments are. The template is called like this: {{BS3|arg1|arg2|arg3|arg4|arg5|arg6|arg7|PX=argPX}} for example, with 7 arguments that go in order plus an optional argument marked with "PX=" for the PX optional argument; it has two other optional arguments you can also use. The way you're calling the template, many of the ordered arguments are blank. If you add or remove a pipe, then material gets reassigned for example from being argument 3 (which for this template, according to its documentation, is image 3) to being perhaps argument 4 (which is something else).

I hope that helps. (Previous unsigned comment by Coppertwig)

Ah, that's exactly what is showing now on the Test Page. :-) Each dropped or added pipe actually moves the whole link to another argument. Turning the border on shows that much more clearly and allows me to visually see which links are in the wrong column. I don't mind at all that you edited my User Page. That's what it's there for! :-) I think we have resolved this issue satisfactorily, but I still may ask you for more assistance. Thanks again. Acps110 (talk) 18:24, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi, how's it going? --Coppertwig (talk) 20:46, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Status on WP:NYCPT

Hello. I've noticed that you have registered as a member of WP:NYCPT. Please go to Wikipedia:WikiProject New York City Public Transportation/Participants and add or correct you status as an active or semi-active member, as well as if you are an admin, whay projects you work on, and a sample of the work you do in the NYCPT scope. Thank you. —Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs • email) 15:38, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] IRT Flushing Line template

I guess I'll revert it back because of the lack of so much icons. This is going to be a huge problem if we are to ever update the rest. —Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs • email) 00:25, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Nah, I think your idea is great! However, it can't be implemented right now because of the lack of symbols. I have been editing many of the line templates over the last few days to give them some consistency, and your changes are absolutely WP:BB and WP:GF! ;-) Thanks, Acps110 (talk) 00:32, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks man, but now that the weekend and my two-week school break is over, I'll be disappearing from Wikipedia again during the week. I'll be around as much as I can during the weekend, though. —Imdanumber1 (talk • contribs • email) 01:28, 28 April 2008 (UTC)