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[edit] What is a good name for this article ?

The article, Misogynist_Acid_attacks, was created, but then had a speedy deletion tag placed on it, then moved from Misogynist_Acid_attacks to Acid attack here and slightly expanded. I think the name Misogynist attacks is more suitable than Misogynist_Acid_attacks or Acid attack, because there are similar attacks in those parts of Asia where burning or scalding oil or water are used or women set on fire instead. However, these attacks are not necessarily committed by true misogynists, which are chronic general woman-haters, but men who felt jilted by a certain woman or situation at one time. I don't know what a better name would be. Nevertheless, this topic is important enough to have its own article in Wikipedia. H Padleckas 04:18, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I originated the Misogynist Acid attack page, and am disappointed the way it has been altered, to an extent. I am not a feminist. However, it must be noted that most attacks are motivated by the desire of the attacker that the women should blindly submit to them, and the attacks are portrayed as "punishment"; this is why I define it as misogynist. Actually, it is misanthropic, and needs to be punished more severely, and in such a manner that the "romantic" edge of it in South Asian eyes is taken off. Lastly, can I request that the Pak acid attack link be restored? Lucio Mas
Have done it. Lucio Mas
I have rewritten this article and left the name as "Acid Attack," as I find this to be the most neutral term for it. Some do not believe misogyny exists, and to call something a misogynistic something-or-other assumes a common belief in misogyny. It also disregards some opinions regarding the characterization of these attacks as misogynistic a result of Western pressure/ethnocentrism. I've tried to address this. onesong

[edit] Definition

Although this article was informative, it did not explicitly define what an Acid Attack is.

I second this, it doesn't actually say what an Acid Attack is!
Ladies and gents, let me repost the first paragraph: "Acid attacks are a violent phenomenon that primarily occur in parts of certain South Asian countries, such as India, Pakistan and Bangladesh, and are often perpetrated by males against females. Perpetrators of these attacks throw acid at their victims, burning them. The consequences are multiple: permanent marks on the body, disfiguration and potentially blindness."onesong

More importantly, what about stomach-acid attacks? Very different from the subject of this article. -OrangeDog 13:18, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disturbing, though somewhat helpful picture

Included herein is a recent article from BBC News, depicting the survivor of an acid attack. While it's certainly brutal, I would be curious to see if the photo in question, or one similar, might somehow be included to depict the severity of these assaults. I realize a murder victim of this type is already included, but the inclusion of a living victim, however morbid, may display a wider understanding. Thoughts are welcome. --Anon.

Pretty gruesome picture, but it would be a good addition to this article. Strider01 22:13, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

That picture is really disturbing for being right on top of the article.

The image should be removed. It's unclear who the perpetrators are, where the photo was taken, when it was taken, the only reliable source is a record label and it has an image of a president (Reagan?), making it clearly non-neutral.-Wafulz 22:10, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm unaware what image you are discussing, assume it has been deleted, however this one might be useful (taken by a Finnish journalist for an article on the phenomenon in India for the Finnish daily Hufvudstadsbladet. I'm certain a local upload would be do-able under fair-use (right to quote/quotation right under Finnish law)): direct link, article (Swedish language). Alternatively, the author could be contacted for permission. 85.134.21.38 15:34, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] re-working the page a little

The page was heavily tagged with {{originalresearch}} and [{tl|weasel}} - these issues have now been sorted out. What remains is a through fact checking - I've tagged what needs sourcing and I've removed whta is unsourcable. I've done some research into this phenomenon and I will be adding some referenced material in due course. What I would suggest is that the treatment section needs attention and that the other uses of the term needs to be linked to the appropriate articles. I'm going to move the picture in the lower section to the top of the artciel as defined by WP:MOS#Images--Cailil talk 23:24, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I've added {{Unbalanced-section}} to the Victims and Treatment section becuase, while notable references to male-male and male-female acid attacks would be fine these attacks have no encyclopedic notability - not referenced in multiple mainstream third-party sources. Similarly I have concerns about teh notability of all the links in the 'Acid attacks around the world' section. If these cannot be improved by April 15th they will have to go--Cailil talk 23:55, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
I've removed the paragraph with the notice you added, by deleting one reference that had a dead link as a cite, and moving the other reference to the Incidents section. I believe that at least some, if not all of the incidents meet the general notability guideline established in WP:NOTABLE, primarily by receiving significant coverage in reliable sources. If you wish, however, we can evaluate these together on a case-by-case basis. Blackworm (talk) 01:51, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Also why would only male-male or male-female attacks be notable? Is a WikiProject or other group reviewing this article? Blackworm (talk) 02:12, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I concur that a lot of the incidents meet the general notability guildeline. --DavidD4scnrt (talk) 03:56, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

On the matter of the news reports notability, some (the Ethiopian case in particular) have received wide spread reporting but others have not. Even still for me there is a due weight issue with all of them; on top of that it seems like a list for a list's sake. I do think the more notable ones should be kept in some form - maybe the external links. I do think a case by case review would be helpful - one or two might deserve a paragraph in the article itself.
On the "why would only male-male or male-female attacks be notable?" - you may have picked me up wrong and I may have not expressed myself adequately. I was talking about the specific incidents - the ones you removed (in my view rightly) as OR and undue - which were non-notable - I'm not in any way saying that female-male attacks would be any less notable than others, because they would be just as notable as male-female or male-male or female-female attacks when they get significant coverage--Cailil talk 21:30, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for clearing that up. I think we mostly agree on what should be done here. You seem to feel more strongly about the list than I do, but I agree with your solutions. Blackworm (talk) 00:08, 12 April 2008 (UTC)