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[edit] Safeguards against "trolling for fun"

{{helpme}} One of the pages of interest to me, J. Vernon McGee, was made a target of what looks like trolling for fun. An editor made the comment "Tagging is fun, I know" on Talk:Barry_Cohen_(attorney).

Their "contribution" history here Special:Contributions/Mattisse suggests that they indulge quite a bit in this kind of "fun".

I have asked for clarification here: Wikipedia_talk:Neutral_point_of_view

But the amount of tagging activity that I see on that editor's "contribution" page seems excessive. And I suspect that it isn't the only case of such.

It occurs to me that it is _vandalism_ under the guise of "policy enforcement".

Is there a mechanism to curb this kind of "fun"? --Ac44ck 19:17, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

  • Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, we must insist that you assume good faith while interacting with other editors. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. VivioFateFan (Talk, Sandbox) 21:01, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Reply:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:AGF
  • Bad faith editing can include ... playing games with policies
Tagging scores of pages and noting that "Tagging is fun" would seem to be suggestive of "playing games with policies". Making one's first appearance on a page with a declaration akin to "I don't like what is here, but I'm not saying what would satisfy me. Oh, and someone else fix it." doesn't strike me as being particularly helpful. There's a saying that I like: "To criticize is to volunteer."
There are also these:
The article in question seems to fit most of the policy for self-published sources (negating that the "self" in question died nearly two decades ago) except "the article is not based primarily on such sources."
The article obviously could use improvement. That someone pointed it out is understandable. That no commitment to help accompanies a criticism (even to the extent of identifying one specific -- and significant -- item which might have planted the idea for tagging the article) makes it seem less "constructive".
Assuming that the tagger acted in good faith is what can make "trolling" so effective. Someone on a tagging spree for "fun" can create a lot of activity in their wake -- which is the goal of trolling. Finding evidence which suggests that the tagger was trolling seems like a violation of my assumption of good faith.
--Ac44ck 21:59, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
You can take it over to the Administrator's Noticeboard for Incidents if you believe they are toying with policy, which they are. This is a case, like you said, of vandalism disguised by policy enforcement. I totally agree with you - there are some times where assuming good faith makes things worse. The article in question, J. Vernon McGee, is definitely NOT an advert. NF24(radio me!Editor review) 23:38, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I posted twice on the article page as you requested I do

Hi! If you are talking about J. Vernon McGee, I did post it on the article page (as you requested) [1] where you requested I do so. Here:[2][3]
Here are the diffs. Mattisse 01:42, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Let's get a mediator

It is not your article and your opinion is not the only one. Anyone can add or subtract from it. Only unsourced material cannot be removed, unless you have a better source. Just because someone disagrees with you, does not mean they are wrong. Also, you are not supposed to remove a tag without fixing the problem. Why don't we get a third party opinion? Let's do that or get an informal mediator. How about it? Mattisse 02:15, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Time tracking

It does take up time, I know. I spent all day yesterday trying to find information on Barry Cohen who I know is a very notable, if not famous in his field, attorney. However, I could find hardly anything. I even went to the library today. Fortunately, another editor cleaned the article up, took out a lot of stuff that should not have been there in the first place, and the article is much better now. That other editor had a clearer perspective than I did.

I truly apologize for upsetting you. But tags are not a problem. If someone were trying to delete it, now that would be a problem. Many stellar articles on Wikipedia have tags on them. And, as I said to you somewhere else, I tag my own articles rather often. Sincerely, Mattisse 03:00, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I see issues to be addressed in the article

I feel that the tag issue needs to be addressed. You seem to feel that because you "see nothing specific to be addressed", that means I am not allowed to address issues in the article that I see. You are acting as if you WP:OWN. That is a problem. The fact that you see nothing to be addressed, when you are disputing with me, is also a problem, as it is not up to you to determine whether issues need to be address or not. If you do not want an informal mediation or third party opinion, then we can move up to Dispute Resolution. Mattisse 03:51, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Psychrometrics

If you have a question regarding the information in the article, plase address it on the Discussion page. Kilmer-san (talk) 05:45, 25 May 2008 (UTC)