Talk:Abu Simbel
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[edit] official portrait sculpture ritually effaced
The second colossus? I'd always heard that it was first-century earthquake damage. Experts? –Hajor 15:45, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- I'm no expert, but the recent additions by ARGOU look like a copyvio to me, or at least a verbatim copy without attribution: Google, World66. — mark ✎ 16:07, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
At least World66 is Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 1.0 Licence. Can this be fixed by retroactively attributing them as a source? Assuming they are the original source, that is -- text appears in a bunch of other places as well. ARGOU, you there? –Hajor 16:20, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- It doesn't sound like a reader-contributed travel description to me anyway — my guess would be that it is copied from some offline travel guide (and a pretty old one at that, judging from the archaic phrasing). But how are we ever going to know? — mark ✎ 16:55, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- I tried to expand the page but I couldn't think. So I decided to expand by copying it from another webpage. — ARGOU User Talk:ARGOU 17:45, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Dear ARGOU, I hate to play wikicop, but please familiarise yourself with Wikipedia:Copyrights. As a general rule, like it says every time you press the save page button, "by submitting your work you promise you wrote it yourself, or copied it from public domain resources -- this does not include most web pages." Which webpage was it? If it was that cc.by.sa one, I suppose we can simply cover the crediting requirement by placing a footer in the article. Or something. –Hajor 20:47, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
OK. In the absence of any statement of relinquishment of rights, release into the public domain, etc. on that web site, and unless you had their express permission to use it, the text you contributed to this article must be considered a violation of that site's copyright. If that's the case, we'd better remove it. –Hajor 18:17, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Hey there,
- What section, specificly, did ARGOU add? I read through the article and am having some trouble pinning it down. Was it the section on tourism? Thanks alot, and I hope if there is anyway to do so I can contribute some more. Something I think that would help this article alot would be to add a list of good books on the subject of the temples at Abu Simbel. I recently wrote a paper on this, where web sources were not allowed, so I could suggest some in the future. -Tristram Shandy
[edit] Garden of Eden
I understand that a representation of the Garden of Eden was found in this temple (Godfrey Higgins, Esq., Anacalypsis: An Attempt to Draw Aside the Veil of the Saitic Isis; or an Inquiry into the Origin of Languages, Nations and Religions, 2 vols. (new York: J. W. Bouton, 1878), vol. 1, p.403.). Could this information be added?
- Looks good to me, should it be mentioned in the same section as Ramesses II's claimed victory in the battle of Battle of Khadesh and other pictographic depictions or should it have its own section bringing in suggestion to the depiction of Eden in other temples from near the same era? (specificly, I mean, Mesopatamian temples from the Assyrian and Sumerian ruling periods.) Personally I would like to see it be paralleled with the depictions that other cultures fabricated. -Tristram Shandy
[edit] The greater temple
From what I understand the light does not shine on all statues, but only on three the sun gods Ra-Horakhty, Amun and Ramesses. Ptah (on the far left) remains in shadows all year as he is the god of darkness. When the temple was moved not only did the dates change to the 22nd of October and February but now part of the light shines on Ptah's shoulder. The original dates for this were the 21st.
- In the book sources I came across they said the original date was the 21st and that it turned into the 20th of each month respectively. Where did you read that these occurences were the supposed birthdate and coronation of Ramesses II?
- -Tristram Shandy
The above mentioned move from 21st to 22nd of October and Februar is from astronomic point of view impossible. If you are interested please give me your Mail adress an I will sent you a paper. M Mail Adress is: Manfred.Bauer@hcu-hamburg.de. 84.142.54.155 (talk) 13:46, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, this snippet seems unlikely, and evidence to the contrary would be interesting, but you should just reference the published paper in the article. Other editors are likely to have access to journal archives. If its an unpublished paper, it doesn't qualify as a reliable source. What we have right doesn't appear to be particularly good references to me, but they are references rather than just bald assertions. BTW evidence about this being astronomically impossible without sources talking about Abu Simbel would have a WP:SYN problem. It wouldn't let us alter the dates, but instead both pieces of information would have to coexist on the page. (my opinion - sources for the required declination of the sun before and after the move would probably be better than dates)
- BTW - you shouldn't publish personal info like that on Wikipedia. Bazzargh (talk) 01:52, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Reorginization and clean up
I recently wrote a paper about the greater temple at Abu Simbel for my History of Architecture class. Using this information I went through and did some clean up where I beleive my writing and research would help. Up soon I will add a bibliography for works cited and consulted, but I need to "convert" it into wikipedia's standard as it is currently in the MLA format. -Tristram Shandy
[edit] The Origin Land of Abu Simbel is Sudan (a North African country)
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.121.70.228 (talk • contribs) 16:30, May 23, 2006 (UTC)
The above unsigned heading (unsigned template added by me), along with a couple of article edits by the same anonymous editor, seem to indicate that Abu Simbel was moved from Sudan into Egypt. Is this a claim that Egypt "stole" Abu Simbel from Sudan? The border between the two countries takes a detour at the Nile (as this map shows). But most online sources seem to agree that Abu Simbel stands about 50 km from the Sudan-Egypt border. Since the complex was only moved about 200ft up the side of the valley, it seems unlikely that it was moved across the border. I suppose the question then is whether the border was moved at some point in the past, transferring land from Sudan to Egypt. If anyone has any information on this, it would be nice to either confirm that Abu Simbel was once located in Sudan, or else to remove that claim from the article. GeoGreg 23:43, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
- I've got a Reader's Digest Great World Atlas published in 1962. According to the map in page 72 of the Atlas it is clearly evident that there was no border change. You can find the links to the snapshots of the evidence down below. So, according to the new information, I'll remove the sentence in question.
- Kizzuwatna 22:43, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Singing statues?
Is anyone aware of the singing statues, presumably because of the wind in the crevices? It is mentioned in the Agatha Christie film "Death on the Nile". What did it supposedly signigy? Does it still do this since the temple was moved (the film/book are set in the 1930s) If anyone can add info, that would be great. Thanks!--Cbradshaw 03:01, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Greek inscription
Should be something on the Abu Simbel Greek inscription... AnonMoos (talk) 16:10, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
