Talk:Abu Ghraib

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[edit] Made this change

  • I changed "successful courts-martial" to "courts-martial convictions." A court-martial is a legal proceeding. As such, a court-martial, when conducted lawfully, is successful regardless of whether the accused is acquitted or found guilty. -- Vince Crawley August 11, 2006.

[edit] Made the following changes:

  • Removed extraneous "the" in paragraph 2.
  • Corrected spelling of "court martials" in paragraph 3. --Chris 14:35, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More to say about the city?

Surely there is more to say about the city of Abu Ghraib than one short paragraph—especially since this article contains about three times as much material on the prison and events there. --Chris 14:35, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rename linked page?

It might be a good idea to rename the page "Post-invasion Iraq, 2003–2006", just in order to avoid having to correct the date as our occupation proceeds into 2007 and beyond. --Chris 14:46, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Distance discrepancy

  • In the article "Abu Ghraib Prison", there is this statement about the location of Abu Ghraib relative to Baghdad:

"The Abu Ghraib prison(Arabic: سجن أبو غريب; also Abu Ghurayb) is in Abu Ghraib, an Iraqi city 32 km (20 mi) west of Baghdad."

Here, however, I find a different distance:

"The city of Abu Ghraib (BGN/PCGN romanization: Abū Ghurayb; أبو غريب in Arabic) in Iraq is located 20 km (12 miles) west of Baghdad just north of the Baghdad International Airport."

It looks like someone swapped miles and kilometers in going from one article to the other. But I'll have to check outside to determine which is right. --Chris 15:14, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Distance research

OK, I found 8 independent sources that say "20 miles". Of those, one says "20 miles south", 2 say "20 miles outside", the rest say "20 miles west" of Baghdad.

I found three sources that say "20 km". One was the People's Daily, English edition; the rest quote GlobalSecurity.org—as does this article. The GlobalSecurity story seems poorly written.

I'll go with the "20 miles west". --Chris 16:03, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Biased

This article's most recent modification added a lot of anti-Democrat bias. Someone please fix this.

Never mind, I did it. AThousandYoung 08:57, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Added Material

I added material concerning both how the abuse was first reported and the regulations the Army Officer was following in reporting abuse. The first section had citations from :the Rockford Registrar Star from an aritle written by Judy Emerson. I referenced the website of the newspaper but they do not save on-line articles for more than two weeks. The second is a link to the generals report which is on line. The second paragraph comes from a source for which I'm at a loss to provide citations. I basically took the information off of a card which was given to me when I was mobilized and sent overseas. Its a standing order from SOUTHCOM which is the command for all armed forces in the southern hemisphere. The reference is SCFORM 165 dated 8 April 2002. I could not as yet find an on-line reference for it but hopefully you will recognize me as an expert in the field. I have over 27 years of military service which dates back to Vietnam. More recently I served as a chaplain to the detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba for ten months 04-05 and I was a reporting agent for individuals to report abuse that was observed. The news of Abu Graib was flashing on the news as I was inprocessing to be deployed overseas. I also participated in leading in-briefings for new service members reporting to the area of operations. Finally, I serve on the Board of Visitors for WHINSEC and personally interviewed the JAG officer who developed and implemented their human rights training program. ChaplainSvendsen 21:46, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

I reverted your edits for a couple reasons. First of all, it is in the wrong article - since it is a detail regarding Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse it should go in that article. Also, your single source does not contain all of the information you used. It sounds like you might qualify as an expert; if so you should follow Wikipedia procedures for that. Overall it sounds like you have some good info to add to the Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse article, just figure out how to source it. Michael134.84.96.142 22:14, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Source it? This is frustrating since I's a clergy colleague of the minister who's son reported the abuse. I also gave a citation which came directly from the Rockford Registrar Star newspaper. Other than having it reported in the paper, which isn't on line, what can be used as a source? I also cited the Generals Report which included a report on the testimoney from the soldier. ChaplainSvendsen 11:27, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Abu Ghraib Population ؟

is really this district has between 750,000 and 1.5 million inhabitants ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.139.4.185 (talk) 10:52, 27 April 2008 (UTC)