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[edit] ABS-CBN page

there. start.

the ABS logo disappeared, then reappeared. That's funny.

I Do not think that abs-cbn 2 airs American Idol, so why they did apply It in this article.

It might be a misfed info. American Idol is shown in ABC-5. And so is its Filipino version. Zxyggrhyn 03:21, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ABS-CBN shows list

I think the present ABS page is getting very long, mainly because of the list of shows.

Wouldn't it be better if the shows were listed in a separate article?

Who keeps putting in the list American Idol? It is not shown over any ABS channel.

[edit] Wowowee Tragedy

We will need more sources and regular updates until this is sorted out.Rmcsamson 10:06, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images

The images distort monitors with low resolutions. Perhaps they can be decreased in size? Howard the Duck 12:04, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Is the ABS-CBN News image where a wiki image was used without credit necessary? Its a legit pic, but it is not necessary. I don't consider it encyclopedic, and more relevant pictures can be used for the News and Current Affairs portion. John earlm 13:21, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ABS-CBN copyvio

Okay, while I'm aware of the copyvio tag, can the copyvio tagger answer why this article was tagged as a copyvio? If there is a basis, can the actual webpages be cited, instead of the whole ABS-CBN portal in general?--Akira123323 15:27, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Define "largest"

"...the largest Media company in the Philippines."

What is "largest?" Most number of stations? Most profitable? Biggest building? What? If no one comes up with an answer by the weekend it will be removed. --Howard the Duck 05:54, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

it is the largest in terms of assets and nationwide and international reach. John earlm 13:22, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
in terms of...nationwide and internatinoal reach. Still vague. "Largest" in terms of what? How do we measure that? In terms of viewers? Countries? Cities? Cable subscribers?
And more importantly, can you provide a reference for this? --- Tito Pao 13:26, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
i think the corporate website of abs-cbn is already cited in the main page, and the corporate website says they are the largest. if you will check GMA's corporate website, they are not claiming that they are the largest. it is not vague, even GMA Network recognizes that. GMA is just the most profitable, and is leading in Mega-Manila. also, they have the highest asset value, and has more branches (if i can use the word), as evidenced by TFC, since its rival PTV is just new. Can i use the PSE website as example? PSE info John earlm 13:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Whoopss...haha! We were both editing this section at the same time. I realized that my statement was vague. I added something on it :) --- Tito Pao 13:43, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
i find this discussion as moot and unnecessary. i don't think we have to name all the aspects where ABS-CBN is considered being the largest. come to think of it, GMA is not the largest in any aspect we can think of, but they are the more profitable. industry observers, PSE website, and ABS-CBN people themselves consider the network as the largest network. if you are still not satisfied, you can research yourself. Another example is the Ernst and Young Entrepreneur of the Year Awards and the Mt. Everest team page, where the station is a sponsor. The articles about ABS-CBN consider them as the largest. John earlm 13:48, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
At least we're getting somewhere here. We're now getting somewhere from a vague "largest network" to "largest network in terms of ..." (so I suggest you make the appropriate edit and provide the references as you deem necessary). The point of this discussion is that when you make a statement as "the largest something", it should be specific...especially on the "largest" part.
"industry insiders, PSE and ABS-CBN people" may be obvious to us Filipinos---I should know, since I'm a Kapamilya ;) ---but keep in mind that Filipinos are not the only readers of Wikipedia. What is obvious for Pinoys may not be obvious for other readers in Wikipedia; how would someone from Beijing or London or Johannesburg or Sao Paolo know? Just because we said so? Or because we have something to show them to prove this? This is why I also raised the issue of naming your references (or, at least, by including other information that would make the statement self-supporting).
As for the part about "ABS-CBN people themselves consider the network as the largest network", I'm not sure. It reeks of boosterism, and it's not quite healthy for an article that strives to have an NPOV. We'd rather leave that for other people to say. --- Tito Pao 14:10, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
but even acceptable sources such as the PSE website do not give the specific aspects where ABS-CBN is large at. that must mean they are the largest in all aspects. like i said, it can attribute to the fact that ABS-CBN is the largest in all aspects we can think of. GMA is just the network that is the most profitable. even foreign entities (1), (2) consider ABS-CBN as the largest without specifying the aspect where it is large. We can just put the most credible article or reference, but if the most credible article does not detail where ABS-CBN is considered the largest, I say this discussion is moot. John earlm 14:19, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Two things:
  1. The Ernst and Young and the Mt. Everest write-ups read like they were written by the media handlers of ABS-CBN. I would also say the same for the other write-ups for the other sponsors (why else would Microsoft include its phone number on it? why else would PAL mention the model of their first airplane?)
  2. The information from the SEC page was also written by ABS-CBN. That's because it's an annual document that they are required to submit to the SEC and are required to make public (you know, for investors). Although it's the SEC website, it's not written by SEC. --- Tito Pao 15:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Then please find a source that you consider more credible. But the absence of a source that you consider sufficient should not refrain from labeling ABS-CBN as the largest network. Besides, I think SEC and PSE will not allow ABS-CBN to be called the largest if that's inaccurate. We are making a big deal out this, which we should not be. I don't even think that it is boosterism, especially because ABS-CBN is a listed company at the PSE, they have the responsibility to be fair in their financial data and standing. Maybe the interview by Yahoo! Business is enough. article here. Even at the CASBAA Convention 2006, it was mentioned that ABS-CBN is the largest Philippine Media network, and I don't think the handlers of the station had something to do with it. Even CFO Asia (though the article is old). Local journalists also automatically label the station as such, example here and here. Even a local business print journalist dubbed GMA network as the second largest (article here).Again, it's moot. If that still does not satisfy you, then please try to look for reference/s that you consider as more acceptable. Peace sir! :-) John earlm 16:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
(Reindent) IMHO, "largest" is too vague. I'd rather have separate facts for this, like ABS-CBN is the first multimedia company listed at the PSE, has the widest reach in the Philippines most number of affiliate stations, its programs are broadcasted abroad on more cable carriers, etc. --Howard the Duck 07:06, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I think looking at their annual reports and other company data will show that ABS-CBN has: the most assets, largest capitalization, most number of cable subscribers, most number of foreign affiliates, most number of local broadcast stations/regional bureaus, most number of viewers nationwide, and the most number of dedicated subsidiaries, which is what leads some writers (particularly those who write in the business pages of most dailies) to label ABS-CBN as the "largest." I agree that unless these things are clarified, then the statement "largest" is vague. Rmcsamson 11:37, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I agree. These are the kind of things that I would consider as acceptable definitions of "largest", not necessarily "largest" because media handlers (like the anonymous authors of About Me blurbs at the corporate sponsors pages in various events) and newspaper writers (like the Inquirer and Yahoo) say so. Let's stick to something more quantifiable---and, of course, easily verifiable. (The revenue data alone is a good start; ABS-CBN undoubtedly beats GMA7 (to the tune of P12 billion vs. P8 billion). --- Tito Pao 15:23, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Then guys, do the honors of quantifying the definition :-) so the article will be more encyclopedic. John earlm 16:22, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I think the word "largest" also refers to the sheer size of the organization in terms of employment. Organizations commonly talk about their "size" based on their number of employees. Rmcsamson 07:49, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
We should avoid the use of "largest," the phrase "corporation with the most number of employees" is more straight to the point and clearer. --Howard the Duck 10:43, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Huh? I think it's better to say "largest in terms of assets". At least it can cover the real and non-real assets, number of employees, as well as number of branches and international subscribers. What do you think? John earlm 16:05, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
That might still be vague, because largest could be applied for both tangible objects (e.g. fixed, physical assets) and intangible objects (money), and for both discrete (number of stations) and continuous units (number of viewers, which is almost always measured by the thousands or by the millions instead of by each individual person). Howard's proposal is better: in naming the superlative, name the specific category, to be concise and unambiguous. --- Tito Pao 16:26, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
You know what, we should avoid first-party sources and use third-party sources which aren't press releases or written by PR people of these companies themselves. So the question now is how to reword it. "Largest" does mean many things... like fattest employees, largest land area, etc. --Howard the Duck 06:19, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Revenue and income

Almost all company pages I've encountered here at Wikipedia has the yearend results, not the semestral or quarter results as shown here. I'll be changing them if nobody object by the weekend. --Howard the Duck 13:01, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] move article to ABS-CBN Broadcasting Corporation

do you agree? after all, this is the full name of the company... -Danngarcia 18:29, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Does "ABS-CBN" still mean "Alto Broadcasting..."? --Howard the Duck 05:26, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
i agree this article should be moved, the current name of the company is ABS-CBN Broadcasting Corporation. therefore it means that the accronym does not (now)have any meaning at all or else it will be redundant.Rebskii 17:30, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
If that's the case (ABS-CBN doesn't mean a thing), then we'll need an admin to do the move. --Howard the Duck 00:13, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
I tried moving it but the new page has an edit history already aside from redirecting (which moving does not allow). I asked an admin already. Let's wait and see. Berserkerz Crit 21:32, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

ABS-CBN means Alto Broadcasting System - Chronicle Broadcasting Network. Common people just nick it with ABS. Zxyggrhyn 03:26, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

My stupid suggestion: how about rename this to Alto Broadcasting System - Chronicle Broadcasting Network Broadcasting Corporation? Hehehe. --Howard the Duck 14:59, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] survey says

can we remove a section that says latest survey say that ... blah blah blah ... trust ratings... blah blah blah...?

survey results periodically change and i don't think that a particular survey result is only useful during the period of that survey.i think this compromises the neutrality of the article. but i will agree on having those results bulleted, like an archive, and then editing over and over when a new one comes.Rebskii 17:30, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I'd agree. --Howard the Duck 00:13, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
I say that these infos should just be updated as regular as possible. The date of these data should be mentioned if ever they will be included. John earlm 14:06, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Grammar

There is something wrong with the grammar of some paragraphs of this article and other related articles such as the Historical coverages. Please check the grammar once in a while. I did my best to correct the grammar of some portions. John earlm 13:32, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

Do we really need this? How can you justify the "First TV station that revolutionized station IDs (Summer 2002 Station ID)"? Define "revolutionize". Or the other trivia, it's impossible to confirm this since perhaps some TV station might be the first but it wasn't that famous. --Howard the Duck 16:31, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree, please remove it. I can clearly remember IBC13 having some sort of station ID with its carabo and vintas. John earlm 21:06, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] El Kapitan???

Do we really need a section about a coffee table book? Lol... --Howard the Duck 06:20, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Comment. This article is about ABS-CBN, not about Eugenio Lopez, Sr., or about the coffee table book. Even though EL Sr. played a vital part in the history of the company, this is not within the ambit of the article...otherwise, we might as well rewrite this article to make it read like the life story of the Eugenio family. The section about the coffee table book is better suited on a separate article (a bio) about EL Sr. --- Tito Pao 12:52, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Metropolitan Basketball Association

Surely, an ABS-CBN won't be complete without ABS-CBN's foray into basketball... Anybody have sources on this? --Howard the Duck 16:16, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Non-NPOV?

The article looks like it was written by ABS-CBN's Marketing/PR department, to be honest.

58.69.193.238 15:06, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge proposal

According to the Star Cinema article, "Star Cinema" is the popular name of ABS-CBN Broadcasting Corporation, and the two articles certainly overlap considerably. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:49, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

As far as I know, Star Cinema is the film production outfit, while ABS-CBN is conglomerate. ABS-CBN is a part of the larger Lopez group of companies. --Howard the Duck 10:01, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
If so, the Star Cinema article needs to be corrected. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:19, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Star Cinema is totally a different entity as far as ABS-CBN is concern. Star Cinema, which has a corporate name of ABS-CBN Film Productions, Inc (and with a trade name of Star Cinema), is ABS-CBN Broadcasting Corporation's film-production outfit. Both companies are member of the Lopez Group of Companies which serves as the holding firm of all the business interests engaged in to by the Lopez family. User talk:Kevin nico 05:58, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes! Star Cinema may be owned by ABS- CBN but they are different... one makes the moves the other doesn't Australian Jezza 06:43, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Star Cinema makes movies, i think it's the outfit or subsidiary, while ABS-CBN is the parent company. If we create separate wiki articles on tv shows, why not make a separate article for Star Cinema? John earlm 00:57, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Schedule of Primetime Bida

It should be Rounin is after Maria Flordeluna

VonRojohnDiazRubio 04:49, 17 April 2007 (UTC)Who is editing the ABS page by the way?VonRojohnDiazRubio 04:49, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

You can edit it, but the schedule markup is somewhat complicated so I'll do it for you. Somebody did it already. --Howard the Duck 10:20, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] move article to ABS-CBN Broadcasting Corporation

ABS-CBn preserves the complete name of the station, although common people say only ABS. I think you should analyze the full history of ABS-CBN before you judge the contents written in this site including its contents. VonRojohnDiazRubio 04:55, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

The PSE says the complete name is ABS-CBN Broacasting Corporation is the full name... "ABS-CBN" doesn't give that much context. --Howard the Duck 10:16, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Programming

Please people, the programming section should ONLY be from 7:30-10:30, to conform with other TV network article (ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, The CW, MyNetworkTV and the host of others). Anything more than that will be removed. If you people won't stop, the schedule aka directory will be removed. --Howard the Duck 05:11, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hello Pappy

Shouldn't be here, place it at Wowowee... --Howard the Duck 15:05, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Revenue

is this consolidated income? or for ABS-CBN ch. 2 only and not including its other channels (e.g. Cinema One, Myx, etc.) ? Magasin 16:00, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

anyways, the revenue and income figures does not seem to be updated. here's the updated figures.

http://business.inquirer.net/money/topstories/view_article.php?article_id=77543

(ABS-CBN H1 net profit jumps 77% on higher revenue) (Revenue in the first half rose 12 percent year-on-year to P9.2 billion.)

please update these stats asap. I'll also try to update them soon.

Magasin 14:42, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Added Internal Links and Cleaned-Up Paragraph

I have added Internal Links,Cleaned-Up Paragraph on new equipment and deleted website because of Page Not Found Notice. Kathleen.wright5 15:33, 23 September 2007(UTC)

[edit] ABS-CBN legal controversies/issues

Just heard in the news yesterday that ABS-CBN is yet again involved in another legal controversy where their news vehicle/driver accidently hit/ran over an old poor bystander in a provincial carinderia (can't remember exactly where). Currently, the culprit is detained and refused to give any statements. On the other hand, the network extended their sympathy and financial condolences to the relatives of this poor woman. Can anyone include this and its details (cite)? thanks! †Bloodpack† 15:03, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


exactly why is the legal decision about unlawful termination noteable? On it's own a company being successfully sued isn't very notable unless it's an indication of long standing issues in the company or if the people why were terminated were in themselves notable. The way it's stated now really just seems like an example of Recentism. Perhaps some expansion of the background behind the firings or something of that sort would help. harlock_jds (talk) 19:05, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Programing Directory

Wikipedia is not a directory and Wikipedia articles are not Directories, directory entries or a electronic program guide. For example, an article on a radio or TV station should not list current program schedules, stations, etc. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia (Not a directory), so many "useful" things that do not belong in an encyclopedia are excluded and removed.--Hu12 (talk) 13:16, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I would've agreed with you but why select on the Philippine TV networks? How about NBC, CBS, ABC, etc? --Howard the Duck 14:10, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
PS, the reason why it is restricted to a specific timeslot is to prevent this article from being a directory. --Howard the Duck 15:25, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_directory #3 "For example, an article on a radio station generally should not list upcoming events, current promotions, phone numbers, current schedules, etc states the example explicity..--Hu12 (talk) 15:31, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Why don't you do this on American Broadcasting Company? For a long time I've wanted to delete this section but since other articles do this I don't see the reason why this shouldn't. --Howard the Duck 15:34, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Why don't you do it? policy is above--Hu12 (talk) 15:37, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Why don't you do it? You know the intricacies of policy more than I do. --Howard the Duck 15:39, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
I see after 4 edits you still have done it. Why? --Howard the Duck 15:45, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Sooooo if a editor has a problem in a given article they have to fix it in EVERY other article too? That doesn't seem realistic. However Hu12 isn't qouteing the entire statement which goes on to say " although mention of major events, promotions or historically significant programme lists and schedules (such as the annual United States network television schedules) may be acceptable" which means that annual tv schedules are ok. Personally i don't know why tv has an exception and i don't think it has a place here but i don't feel strongly enough about to change it one way or the other... just stop warring over the edit harlock_jds (talk) 19:11, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Actually I only wanted one edit either to the "Big 4" U.S. stations... if the edit sticks then I won't revert (actually I only reverted once so no warring from me). --Howard the Duck 02:54, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] 55th anniversary: “Bayanijuan”

I added this half century launching: ABS-CBN on June 4, 2008 launched the flagship program of its celebrations for its 55th year in television. "Bayanijuan," with the theme “Walang Iwanan sa Bayan Ni Juan” defines the Filipino volunteer spirit for ourselves and our children. Bayanijuan, was felt on May, with series of teasers, produced by CCM, which asked viewers to participate with tags such as “Jose Rizal, edad 26 nung lumabas ang Noli Me Tangere. Jacinto at Del Pilar, 19 noong sumali sa Katipunan, Bigyan ng bagong simula ang ating bayan…BAYANIJUAN.” The national lunch will be on Independence Day, June 12, with a patriotic pledge, and joint ABS-CBN employees special Flag Ceremony, followed by the"Bayanijuan"campaign (institutional TV plugs featuring the likes of Piolo Pascual, KC Concepcion, Sarah Geronimo, and the hosts of Bandila and TV Patrol Weekend). A music video for the "Bayanijuan" theme song “Bagong Simula” was produced, featuring Kevin Roy (Razorback), Marc Abaya (Kjwan), Yael Yuzon (Spongecola), Kitchie Nadal and Yeng Constantino..abs-cbnnews.com, ABS-CBN launches 'Bayanijuan'--Florentino floro (talk) 10:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't think mere announcement of a TV show is major enough to be added in "History". I've removed it from the reason previously stated, plus the edit sounded too advertisement-ish. --Howard the Duck 15:44, 7 June 2008 (UTC)