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Removed the statement "The property is now owned by the Gwrych Castle Trust." see the Gwrych Castle Trust web page [1] for further clarification.

[[Famous people from Abergele include Lisa Scott-Lee of Steps who went to school at Ysgol Emrys ap Iwan, and Geraint Archer, member of the REME in the army, who also attended Ysgol Emrys ap Iwan. Approximately 29% of Abergele has a significant knowledge of Welsh, but the town has a large population of people from England, namely Manchester and Liverpool. Famous DJ, Daniel Jones , who came to fame on Denbigh Radio, attended local school Emrys ap Iwan. He was diagnosed with depression in late 2006 when his girlfriend, local stripper from denbigh had been caught with local playboy, Simon Jones-]]

Is all of this relevant? Surely the local language situation belongs elsewhere in the article. I can possibly see why Lisa Scott Lee is mentioned, but who are the others? Why should anyone care? I live in the town and I have never heard of them.

YES THIS IS RELEVANT!!! I MAY NOT BE FAMOUS TO YOU BUT I AM TO OTHER PEOPLE, I AM WELL KNOWN IN THE DENBIGH AREA, AND RECENTLY BEEN IN THE LOCAL PAPERS, SO IS THAT GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU! BY DANIEL JONES! PEACE OUT! Regarding the above: By no means! I am afraid that you will have to do better than that.

The article claims "....most of the Romans that came to Britain did not come from Italy rather from other parts of the empire such as North Africa, the Middle East and eastern europe". The import of that statement is that E3b was not found among the Roman population. This is highly doubtful if not plainly wrong. It should be corrected to say just the opposite. E3b1 (alpha cluster) has an age exceeding 6,000 years before present and could potentially be much older. It is not found in the middle east or north Africa. Its highest concentration in modern times is southeastern Europe, across the Adriatic from the Italian peninsula. One in four Greeks are E3b1 and these were the same people who populated nearly half of the Italian peninsula and Sicily in the first milenium BCE. The chances are great e3b represented a sizable percentage of Romans before, during and after the empire. According to the latest research by Professor Cruciani and others, the majority of e3b in Abergele are also E3b1 (alpha cluster).

OK add that to the article, stephen oppenheimer in his new book Origins of the British claims the e3b in Abergele came from Southern Spain or even Galicia during the neolithic 4000 years ago due to a heavy neolithic mining presence from spain and that there is archeological evidence to prove it.

Perhaps we should quote stephen oppenheimer and cite the theory you mentioned with evidence.

Fulvio Cruciani (2007) has determined that the most likely clade for this Abergele group E3b1a2 (V13), from the Balkans, is about 4500 years old, so it could not have arrived during the Neolithic as projected by Oppenheimer. This theory is already dead, just three months after its publication. It is certainly not Spanish (that would be E-M81/Berber, not E-V13), since V13 is linked exclusively to the Balkans.

The bigger problem is the very small sample of just 18 (of which 7 were E3b) taken by Weale et al. Oppenheimer bases some awfully big assumptions on these 7 individuals, four of whom are essentially identical and probably are from the same ancestor. The truth is that the sample was simply too small to draw any meaningful conclusion.24.117.251.78 22:46, 27 April 2007 (UTC)