Talk:Abe clan

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The additional info looks great. If you can add just one reference then I would say make the change to "Start" class. There is enough info to upgrade but there should just be at least one source. --Looper5920 23:29, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I did actually intend to add those while I was working on the article. Thanks for pointing it out. LordAmeth 09:06, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

A well written article. But I don't think there is any evidence that the Ainu/Emishi Abes of Northern Japan are related to the Abes "descended from a son of Emperor Kōgen" from Mie Prefecture. The Northern Abes originated in the Appi River basin in northern Iwate in the 9th century and may have taken their name from the river. Since a number of Abes served as shoguns and governors of Mutsu there may have been political bonds between them and the Abes may have granted permission to the Emishi to use the name. Perhaps the Northern Abes should be listedunder "Other Abe Families". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iwatebud (talk • contribs) 01:53, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of any Abe family descended from Ainu/Emishi. This article focuses on the Wajin (Yamato) clan. If you have information on a different clan, descended from Emishi of the Appi River valley, please do create an article on them. It sounds interesting. LordAmeth 07:40, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

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There is a problem here. The "Chinjufu shogun" designation was a temporary position given to a major clan leader, typically military, after the middle Heian. It was not a permanent position. The Abe were given a title called "Superintendant of the Aborigines." Actually, the Minamoto were given the "Chinjufu shogun" designation only after the Abe refused to pay taxes to the central government. I will edit this part. —Preceding unsigned comment added by K.H. (talk • contribs) 08:30, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Another problem. The Abe were never appointed to the position of "Chinjufu shogun." —Preceding unsigned comment added by K.H. (talk • contribs) 09:08, 13 December 2007 (UTC)