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From the fifth paragraph, it's not clear whether Abdullah was shot at Al-Aqsa or the Dome of the Rock. I seem to think it was Al-Aqsa, but I'm not entirely sure - any ideas? --DMG413 15:56, 19 November 2005 (UTC)


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[edit] Prince Hussein Ibn Talal was shot

In the article : " Prince Hussein Ibn Talal was at his side and grappled with the assailant until he was shot himself"

Hussein did not grapple , he was staning next to his grandfather and he was shot too.

To answer the above question, in all the reading I did it says it was Al-Aqsa.

Duna Masri

  • It still says in that paragraph that "When entering the Al Aqsa Mosque Abdullah was shot dead by Mustapha Shukri Usho .... Abdullah was in Jerusalem to give a eulogy at the funeral and was shot while attending Friday prayers at the Dome of the Rock." --DMG413 19:49, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

You do know that they're both the same place? 193.108.134.34 19:16, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

    • No, they're actually two different mosques on the Temple Mount. The Dome of the Rock is roughly in the center of the area and Al Aqsa Mosque is on the southern edge. --DMG413 02:22, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Actually, the Dome of the Rock is not a mosque per se. It has no niche, for example. It is a monument, a covering for the rock on which Abraham made his sacrifice of his son.Scott Adler 09:22, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Birthplace Missing

Duna MasriZ The Article does not mention where Abdullah I of Jordan was born. It might have been Arabia

[edit] Who was the assassin?

The article currently mentions two names, "Usho" and "Ashu" I believe. They have different first names. Which one is proper?Scott Adler 09:23, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Churchill's Gratitude

In The Second World War, Winston Churchill remarks that Britain was "almost friendless" in the latter part of 1940. But in a nearby footnote he recalls that "King Abdullah of Transjordan remained our staunch ally." Cranston Lamont 22:27, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alleged Zionist-Hashemite collusion in 1947

The paragraph alleging that King Abdullah colluded with the Zionists in 1947 is highly dubious. It was a claim concocted by 'New Historian' Avi Shlaim which has been highly disputed by historian Efraim Karsh. The paragraph is written as if it is accepted historical fact. Not so. I'll add another paragraph which draws on Karsh's rebuttal of Shlaim's claim.Corcman20 20:32, 5 October 2007 (UTC)Corcman20

I like your ideas, Corcman20, and certainly agree with you that Karsh's analysis deserves a space in this article. However, I'd like to point out that Karsh seems to be responding to Shlaim while this article quotes another historian named Eugene L. Rogan. Granted that Rogan edited a book with Shlaim, but the work quoted is all Rogan's. I think Karsh's analysis would better fit the article if it were rewritten not as a response to Shlaim (or Rogan) but as a seperate analysis unrelated to the New Historians' view. I also hope you don't mind me cutting out that long blockquote since it had less to do with Abdullah's life and more to do with the scholarly dispute about Abdullah's life. --GHcool 22:14, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for acknowledging that, it was really badly worded beforehand. Although the article may quote Rogan, the specific claim that the Zionists secretly colluded with King Abdullah to allow him to annex Western Palestine was first alleged by Shlaim in his book Collusion Across The Jordan(1988). I'll try to clean it up a bit.Corcman20 16:39, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

In the best book of the arabic-jews war in 1948 called "O jerusalem", says that Abdullah had a good relationship with the jews people. Most of his friends were jews. But the pression and his dreams of having more territories drived him into the war. For more information read this book called "O jerusalem" that is very good