Talk:Abdul-Azeez ibn Abdullaah Aal ash-Shaikh

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[edit] No criticism?

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Zawahri has called Aal ash-Shaikh one of the "Fuqahaa (jurists) of the Marines" for keeping mum on the presence of the American military personnel on Saudi Arabian soil.[1] Aal ash-Shaikh was called castigated as a "Mufti who rules according to the school of Bush."[2]

Why can't there be any criticism?--71.108.20.189 (talk) 04:50, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

It isn't about removing the criticism; it's about WP:RS and WP:V, among other policies and guidelines. The personal web page of a political talking head isn't sufficient, especially in light of WP:BLP. A real academic or trustworthy journalistic source should be sought. MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:55, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

1st, Zawahri is very famous, much more so than Aal ash-Shaikh. 2nd, I really dislike the notion that Zawahri isn't qualified to criticize because you don't consider him a "real academic."--71.108.20.189 (talk) 05:08, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I think you've misunderstood what I was saying. I never said that Zawahiri isn't notable. I said the sources the above edit was based on are not up to par with WP:RS or WP:V or WP:BLP. As for Zawahiri being a real academic, well, he isn't. He has a medical degree, that's about it. He's not even a teacher or journalist anywhere, he's a figurehead in a militaristic movement. MezzoMezzo (talk) 05:12, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Credentialism

The article is very biased in favor of Aal ash-Shaikh and has almost nothing meaningful in it at the present. It focuses too much on the formal educational training of him. It doesn't cite any real theological achievement in Islam other than noting his formal education and jobs. It appears that Aal ash-Shaikh is just a run-of-the-mill Islamic theologian picked by Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz to blindly--pun intended--follow state policy.--71.108.20.189 (talk) 05:04, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

There isn't a whole lot of material available on him in the English language - he lives in the Middle East and is followed by a predominantly non-Western audience. The sheer number of Google hits, the number of his books translated into English (not books about him, but books he has written) and his status as the head cleric in Saudi Arabia cement his notability as an individual however finding specifics is more difficult. MezzoMezzo (talk) 05:10, 3 June 2008 (UTC)