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Spoilers follow

Since I have not read the book, I am not sure. But after reading the article I felt stupid. I should have read the book first.

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[edit] Removed text

I removed this because I felt it belongs in a critique, not an encyclopeadia. Bmills 12:05, 4 Feb 2004 (UTC)

[edit] The theme of rain

The motif of rain is an important component in the expression of emotion and feeling. Rain is present at every major event in the story, rain foreshadows future events, and rain acts as a projection of the character’s emotions. After the rain’s significance is established, simply mentioning that the weather is stormy evokes a specific set of emotions for the reader. War, love, life, and death are all attached to rain at some point in the work. In this way, Hemingway is able to join together situations, which at first consideration could have distinctly different meanings and importance, and create a single, powerful experience.

A Farewell to Arms begins with a description of the situation of the war in Italy at the opening of the story. At the end of that short, initial chapter, the rain is first mentioned:

“At the start of the winter came the permanent rain and with the rain came cholera. But it was checked and in the end only seven thousand died of it in the army”(Hemingway, 4)

With this first reference to it, rain is already linked to disease, and so powerful is the disease brought upon by rain that seven thousand dead is considered lucky. Next, the rain is connected to the war through Hemingway’s choice of diction. Shells and debris are described as “raining” (Hemingway, 52) in the first battle scene of the book. This is also the scene in which the main character, Lieutenant Henry, is wounded.

Early on in the narrative, the pastoral setting is offered in contrast to the rain. Lieutenant Henry describes the village of Abruzzi, which is “clear…and dry” (Hemingway, 13). When Henry meets Catherine Barkley, his love interest in the novel, “it was a lovely spring morning” (Hemingway, 16). This contrast helps to exaggerate the emotions evoked by the presence of rain. For example, when Henry and Barkley are to be separated for the first time, “it was raining and soon the windows were wet and you could not see out” (Hemingway, 159).

One of the single most important moments in the novel, during which rain is present, is in a dialogue between the two characters. Barkley tells Henry that she is “afraid of the rain because sometimes [she] sees [herself]…[and him] dead in it” (Hemingway, 126). This is a continuation of the rain motif as a harbinger of misfortune, and also a foreshadowing of the climax and end of the novel.

The rain continues through the failure of the military campaign. The retreat is sparked by a wave of enemy attacks. These attacks coincide with the rain: “with the rain coming in sheets there was a bombardment” (Hemingway, 186). The rain turns the roads muddy and the retreat is stalled. It is during this retreat that the rain helps to connect all of the other themes of the book. Henry is missing Catherine and, half-asleep says:

"Blow, blow, ye western wind. Well it blew and it wasn’t the small rain, but the big rain down that rained. It rained all night. You knew it rained down that rained. Look at it. Christ, that my love were in my arms and I in my bed again. That my love Catherine. That my sweet love Catherine down might rain. Blow her again to me. Well, we were in it. Everyone was caught in it and the small rain would not quiet it”(Hemingway, 197).


At this moment, rain is directly involved with all aspects of the book. The war is failing; the armies are in retreat in the rain. Henry and Catherine are separated, and in the narratives jumbled sentences, almost appear separated because of the rain. This small passage solidifies the meanings of rain. Failure, tragedy, death, and loss are all evoked by the presence of rain in a scene.

Henry escapes from a mutiny in the army, finds Catherine and they flee to safety in Switzerland, where she is to have their child. Again, the pastoral setting is present, until she goes to deliver the baby. Three times Henry leaves the hospital to have a meal while Catherine is in labor, and each time, the weather progressively worsens. When the baby is still born and she dies of a hemorrhage, Henry “walks back to the hotel in the rain” (Hemingway, 332).

This final scene may appear quite anti-climactic, however, the use of rain throughout the entire novel, in conjunction with death and misery, has given the word ‘rain’ an almost physical quality. The phrase ‘in the rain’ refers to the first battle where Henry is wounded, the retreat, and the way Henry misses Catherine in his sleep, and built into it are all of the corresponding emotions. By using this motif over and over again Hemingway can simply say that Henry walks in the rain, and every emotion in the book is contained in his final sentence.

[edit] needs discussion of how much is autobiography

The intro says it's semi-autobiographical. Article should discuss what aspects of the novel are autobiographical. Tempshill 05:21, 9 December 2006 (UTC) Catch 22 There are some striking similarities between this book and catch 22 that suggest the influence of Hemingway on Heller. Besides the location of the action, there is also the stoic and cynical attitude of Italians to war, the incompetance of officers and the need to avoid death at all costs despite its inevitablity

[edit] Book/Film

Does it make sense to make a new page for the film (the 1957 version with Rock Hudson) I'm not sure if it's significant enough but pages look awfully cramped with both novel AND film infoboxes Gillian416 20:16, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] summary etc

While very accurate, the summary and short bit of analysis towards the end of this article seem to be incomplete in major ways. Notably that both do not even seem to consider the latter half of the book (the narrators relationship with Miss Barkley for instance). I haven't at this time looked over the history of the article, but it looks like it's part of someone's essay. A shorter summary and a properly cited analysis would be much to prefer. Possibly, I can take on a part of that job. Mikkel 04:36, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Ditto. I haven't read the book, and in fact drifted over this way looking for a very simple, skimmable, paragraph summary of the basic themes/plot of the book, rundown of characters, etc. All I wanted was to make sure I was making the literary reference I thought I was making (that semi-autobiographical book by Hemingway where the WWI soldier falls in love with a nurse). While commendable that someone would go into such detail, the basics need to be here, too. 72.89.216.74 19:48, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Black pig?

>>"Did you ever read the 'Black Pig'?" asked the lieutenant. "I will get you a copy. It was that which shook my faith."

Does this book exist? Amazon isn't cooperating. 76.180.120.161 (talk) 23:15, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Ah -- you should have tried Google. The second hit (for me, this evening) suggests that the work in question is "Il Maiale Nero", a book by Umberto Notari and is allegedly anti-church. His first book "Quelle signore" dealt with the subject of prostituion and garnered him both a fine for obscenity as well as decent sales: the 1920 reprint nailed a half-million sales. Ogre lawless (talk) 06:30, 6 February 2008 (UTC)



Let me just say that the section on Rinaldi is quite brilliantly written! DanMcScience (talk) 03:07, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ambulance driver ???

I was under the impression that the main character was not an ambulance driver, as the article says, but some sort of chief for the ambulance drivers. How can a lieutenant be an ambulance driver as well ? It doesn't make any sense. 86.127.186.205 (talk) 10:47, 18 March 2008 (UTC)