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[edit] Reply from "Spelling"

Since you mention the appropriateness of that section, I feel the topic in that section is quite subjective. Surely no one language is more difficult than any other. In any case, look at the section "Difficulties of mastering Japanese" in Japanese language and compare. [[User:Poccil|Peter O. (Talk)]] 05:03, Jul 24, 2004 (UTC)

Spelling of no language is more difficult than any other? What a joke! :) Nikola 09:27, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Hi, sorry I know I've abandoned the Russian article, but I've been busy with other things. I'll try to have another look at it. Exploding Boy 04:15, Jul 27, 2004 (UTC)

Please see Talk:Russian constitutional crisis of 1993#Sources for Russian public opinion polls. Which spelling should be used to start an article on the Russian polling institute, VTsIOM or VCIOM? Thanks, 172 07:55, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments. I responded on Talk:History of post-Soviet Russia and made some changes to the article. 172 13:44, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Hi Shetsen, if you recall we were e-mailing about Yat and planning what to do with other letters. I'd like to tell you about User:Nikola Smolenski/Cyrillic tables from where you can copy and paste large letters for the upper right of an article and code positions of Cyrillic letters. Nikola 09:27, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Rossijanin

Thank you! I was mistaken. Dr Bug  (Volodymyr V. Medeiko) 06:21, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Ukrainian history

Mr. Shetsen, it was interesting to read your advices. Let me answer you step-by-step citing your writing.
"Your statement in the Ukrainian language topic to an opponent that "If you can documentally prove that Ukrainian was "being used" in USSR in the fields you specify - so do it on the page, cite. And even if you do - your anyway would be lying or misinformed because Sovdepia was purely Byzantine system of lying, hiding and falsing." is equivalent to "Prove it, except I'm not going to believe you".
I agree my wording was inaccurate but anyway logic. It is commonly recognized that Soviet regime was systematically hiding and destroying documental evidences of it's illegal policy. E.g. Ukrainian SSR documents on death rates and executions in 1930s are mostly burnt or stored in Moscow. As well as secret CPSU decisions on Russifying higher education in Ukraine. So millions of Ukrainians may not have appropriate documents but they would never agree that nothing happened to them or their relatives. Hovewer, there few other ways to prove that Monedula is wrong (e.g. statistics, foreign reports, comparative analysis of witness testimonies). That's what I meant.
"NEVER to erase ANYTHING anyone else has put in."
That's exactly what your compatriot Monedula is doing. Where have you been intil we put that propaganda into light?
"Change article text "turtles fly" into "X has stated that turtles fly", and make sure the article text draws no conclusions: let the reader decide. If someone erases your own text "the sky is blue", reinsert it as "Y has observed that under the following conditions, the sky looks blue".
No, sir, we must have something to start with. Lawlessness of Soviet regime and its shauvinistic national policy are internationally proven facts. While I let you dispute the statements that Ukraine is "a birthplace of elefants" or that Alexander the Macedonian was Ukrainian. If someone persistently writes that turtles fly - I will persistently oppose him.
"NEVER to say or imply "My point of view is correct, yours is wrong". NEVER say samething is outrageous."
I never did.
"ALWAYS to avoid politics except in an inherently political argument."
Since I'm a professional political analyst, let me assure you that anything is a political issue. Because politics is a "universal system of regulating social relations using mechanisms of state power". Как говорил мой военрук, "политика, она везде... Ты девушке в трусы лезешь, обещая на ней жениться - это тоже политика". So I think you're pretty demagogic in this item.
"NEVER to accuse anyone or anything, no matter how unpopular, of lying or falsifying. By doing so, too many will think YOU are the one lying or falsifying."
Again, I never did. What I'm accusing Monedula of is a brutal violation of neutrality rule.
"NEVER use the word propaganda."
No, sir, I will. Propaganda is a sholar term, not an offensive jargonism. And let us call cat a cat.
"NEVER to say "this ideology is wrong". You may find it offensive; others find yours equally so. Let ALL ideologies live side by side."
My fight against Monedula has nothing to do with ideologies. Read my writings thoroughly and you won't find that. Except one: the Wikipedia ideology of neutrality.
And most important. As I understand, all your advices are regarding my discussion notes, not contributions. So I don't think you should dispute those notes.
Also, please apply your vision of policy to other "WIkipedians" too. Be neutral and universal.
Anyway, thank you for advice. Best wishes, AlexPU

[edit] Russian language relations

Mr. Shetsen.

Please calm down! You're overheating my computer! It can't take that much emotion! What kind of monastery are you in?

First of all, if you didn't wan't a revision war, as you claimed, why did you assert that you reverted before discussing the issue with me? Genyo 23:20, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)


as for Russian being closer to Ukrainian or Bulgarian, start with the alphabet; which two are closer? Genyo 23:41, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

If you sincerely want to know what I am saying, please read what I am saying: Once again:

as for Russian being closer to Ukrainian or Bulgarian, start with the alphabet; which two are closer?

Genyo 00:15, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)