Talk:A1 road (London)

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Good article A1 road (London) has been listed as one of the Engineering and technology good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can delist it, or ask for a reassessment.
May 28, 2007 Good article nominee Listed

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[edit] Notes by original author

I realise this is a long article, but would urge anyone to reconsider before splitting it. It was formed from merged (and rewritten) stubs on five of the sections (see this version for the five existing stubs plus my Aldersgate Street article), and I do think it's important to keep them together to show the way the road's character changes through its length.

I've tried hard to keep anything not directly related to the road and buildings actually on the road out of the article, as it's already very long and this could easily become an incoherent mess. The sole exception I've made to this is the Bishop's Avenue section, as I feel this section is necessary in describing the extreme contrast between the A1 itself and its side streets at this point. Likewise, the long asides about stations are, I feel, necessary; in Holloway Road's case to explain why there are four (and were at one point six) separate stations on a 2 mile stretch of road, and in Highgate's case to illustrate just why there are so many abandoned tunnels, derelict station buildings and half-built railway lines going nowhere near Highgate tube station.

The geocoding is not ideal as it's too precise. I've chosen a spot roughly halfway along Archway Road as the focus but do feel free to change it if you have good reason.

This article (and its sister article A215 road) is a pilot of mine for a new format for A-roads that have multiple named sections, to replace the existing multiple-stub approach. I'd be grateful for any feedback - positive or negative - regarding it — iridescent (talk to me!) 20:16, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Forced image sizing

I've deliberately forced the image sizing on some of the thumbnails even though I know it violates MOS - the images with longish captions actually take more space at smaller size due to the word wrapping. A couple of images such as the Wesley memorial also include elements such as text which are not visible at smaller resolutions — iridescent (talk to me!) 15:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Pass

GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    a (fair representation): b (all significant views):
  5. It is stable.
  6. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
    a (tagged and captioned): b lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):
  7. Overall:
    a Pass/Fail:

It is a very well written, comprehensive and highly sourced article. Good job - • The Giant Puffin • 12:11, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Categorisation

User:Iridescent asked me on my talk page the following: "Any particular reason you've deleted Category:City of London from A1 road (London) but left Islington, Haringey & Barnet? I can understand (though not agree) if you want to delete the borough categories and just leave Category:Streets in London, but can't see the logic in deleting one and leaving the other three"

I'd been moving London streets from Category:Streets in London (which was vastly overpopulated) to subcategories by borough and similar subdivisions. After I did the A1 it then occurred to me that it was potentially overkill to have long list of categories of streets for every local authority it passed through, so I put it back into Category:Streets in London. It did also occur to me it was similarly overkill to list each local authority the street went through, so I didn't reinstate Category:City of London. However, it didn't occur to me to see whether other local authorities were listed, leaving behind the illogicality. Anyway, I have now decided to go the whole hog, and put it into Category:Streets in xxxxx for each local authority. (Those cats are themselves in the cats for Islington, Haringey & Barnet.) I have also left it in Category:Streets in London as it is a London-wide road. All this may or may not be overkill - I'm not sure. Can I have some feedback on this? Thanks.--A bit iffy 19:45, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Probably the best place to build a consensus is on the talk page of WP:LONDON. Normally, I'd suggest WP:ROADS as well, but they seem to be moribund at the moment.
My personal opinion is to have the A roads in a category of their own, and the individual shorter roads in borough categories. In my opinion most road articles could happily be deleted or merged. IMO even Oxford Street would sit perfectly well as a section of A40 road (or A40 road (London)) in the same way that Holloway Road now sits as a subsection of this page, but I realise that might be a bit extreme — iridescent (talk to me!) 20:04, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Inline citations

Inline citations need to go directly after the punctuation, with no space in between. --Nehrams2020 02:21, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

There is no "need to" about it. While you're obviously free to change it if it bothers you, Footnotes come after punctuation is a guideline, not a policy, and it's a guideline I personally don't agree with. The Manual of Style makes no comment either way on the matter — iridescent (talk to me!) 15:26, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm with iridescent on this one, it looks grossly unnatural and I can't wait for the wiki-wind to blow the other way - and then from the same page, the dates are all 'over linked' which is in contradiction to WP:MoS. Kbthompson 15:43, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Suicide Bridge

It is stated in the article that Archway Bridge is "the subject of Johnny Burke's 2006 film The Bridge." Actually, the subject of the film is the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco.

No, you're thinking of Eric Steel's documentary of the same name. Johnny Burke's was definitely about Suicide Bridge; first paragraph of its accompanying press release reads "There is a 100 year old woman, a serial killer, in North London. Her name is "Suicide Bridge". High above the Archway Road, throwing a heavy shadow over the passing traffic, she assists the tragic people who come for her help". — iridescent (talk to me!) 17:42, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Primary Destinations

Hi. I've removed most of the primary destinations based on this list. Also I moved the map into the infobox and removed a lot of spaces from the road list as sometime ago the routebox was changed in it's format and it left all of the in use boxes in a mess. Hope this is OK with people. Regan123 (talk) 21:39, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Congratulations

This is a terrific article, one of the best I've seen on here. Well done. 138.37.199.206 (talk) 08:35, 11 March 2008 (UTC)