User talk:87.219.84.58

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Hello, 87.219.84.58, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place {{helpme}} before the question. Again, welcome! --Enric Naval (talk) 00:26, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] May 2008

Please notice that talk pages are for discussing how to improve the article, per WP:TALK. Using them to say "FYRO'M', a country that has proven with facts that is eager to steal Greek history and territory (...) Greek sources are democratic sources, FYRO'M'ian sources are propagandistic sources. Everyone can see that." [1] is disruptive and adds nothing to the discussion. Your comment also applies to WP:SOAPBOX and probably also WP:TROLL because of making derogatory comments of the sources from one country and calling the other ones "democratic". From now on, please remember that Wikipedia relies on WP:V verifiable WP:RS reliable sources, not on "democratic" ones.

Also your comment "Could anyone please explain why they call themselves Macedonians if they are not Greeks and do not descend from ancient Macedonians? ", wikipedia is not a forum, please make questions about this on a forum dedicated to answering that sort of questions. The article already links to Macedonia_naming_dispute where you can read details about the name --Enric Naval (talk) 00:26, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

The fact that you do not like it gives you no right to censor it. This is the right place to discuss it in order to add it to the page. About trolling, I completely disagree there. Calling the Slavs Macedonians is an insult to all Greeks and we do not censor it as you have done... stop vandalizing please. People has the right to know the truth.

--87.221.5.240 (talk) 21:36, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Please do not add commentary or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles, as you did to Macedonia_(Greece). Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Thank you. --Enric Naval (talk) 00:44, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

(replies to thread above the warning) It's not about agreement. You are just trying to overturn a decision based on consensus by making provocative arguments, and now you are trying to use wikipedia as a soapbox by posting links to petition pages on several talk pages[2][3][4]. I already explained you that it's wrong to speak here of "democratic sources". The rules for naming are already set at Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(Macedonia-related_articles), please go to complain to the talk page of that manual of style page instead of trying to provoke editors on an argument and trying to promote a WP:POV point fo view. Wikipedia tries to keep a WP:NPOV Neutral Point of View. Your edit here is introduced POV claims unsupported by verifiable reliable sources. Notice also that wikipedia is not based on WP:TRUTH but on verifiability, so I'm afraid that your comment on my talk page is totally off the mark[5]. I am not "trying to apply censorship", wich brings us to WP:AGF assuming good faith on other editors. I'm sure that your intentions are good, but you can't force the articles to be exactly the way you want them to be against consensus --Enric Naval (talk) 00:44, 6 May 2008 (UTC)