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  • No it is not, since I mention my sources, which are more recent than yours (you cited a book of 1952 I think), give more accurate numbers, and are more credible. Can you explain me how your 50,000 soldiers evacuated along with the 14,000 captured or dead give us the 58,000 of the total Commonwealth force? They just don't! And that is why Richter (using the official British records) and Encyclopedia of Battles are more accurate than your sources. How did the Yugoslavs take part? Some soldiers that managed to come to Greece? Is this an official participation? When expected to help, they did not, because they were unable to after the German blitzkrieg. Is this an official participation of a country in a war?! Of course not! And, unfortunately, you have no idea of what is a vandalism ... Nothing else to add.--Yannismarou 16:58, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
    • No, my friend, it was removed, because of bad prose, and because all these details were not needed (did I say anything about vandalism - I am a sysop here and I tend to be careful on these issues). And concerning the figures, I tell you that I use the official figures of the official (actually semi-official, because there is nothing like exactly "official" data) British data compared with the Australian semi-official data. I can give you all the figures, if you want. Try to accept that since 1952 more accurate researches and more data may have been published. And why more than one sources insist on the figure 41-42,000? Hm?! And, by the way you still do not explain me how 50,000+14,000 (16,000 according to Australian sources, but the British ones are regarded as more credible) make 58,000. And thank you for informing that Yugoslavia was attacked, but it was attacked during the invasion of Yugoslavia. And the men that may have fought in Greece were no official expeditionary body, like the one of New Zealand or Australia. Anyway, this is my personal opinion. If you insist on readding Yugoslavia, I will not revert, but, concerning the figures I am not convinced--Yannismarou 22:12, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Leave aside inappropriate comments about education. You can check on my "poor education" here. And now let's see the sources you mention, and which I do know, because I am writing this article for almost 6 months, in order to bring it to its current status (while you edited twice?). And, by the way, do not alter my edits - this is unacceptable. If you want to quote, copy, do not cut:
  • I go to the Long's semi-official (and not official! I insist!) story for Australia that I knew, before you mentioned it. Go to pages 182-183. Long gives total strength of the Commonwealth forces 62.612, and losses 16.111. Therefore, evacuated 46,000. Nothing close to your 50,000! Do you want other sources? Here they are:
  • The "US Center of Military History" (another "official" history!) gives an expeditionary force of 53,000 with 11,844 captured. Therefore according to this "official" research c. 41,000 were evacuated.
  • Richter (1998), 597, researched all the "official" sources and gives an expeditionary force of 58,048, evacuated 42,311, losses 15,740 . He cites Buckley and Franke and is the most credible source IMO. In page 598 he also gives Long's data, having reservations for both British and Australian statistics. According to the most credible Greek sources (Encyclopedia "The Helios", "History of Greece", p. 441), the total force of the British expeditionary force were c. 60,000, something that confirms the British data given by Richter.
  • McClymont (whom I also knew before you mentioned him to me, and again it is a semi-official source) gives the same data with Long concerning total force and casualties, and he indeed gives 50,000 for embarkations, but notes that "The embarkation figures in the naval reports do not always agree with these totals, but the differences are understandable if it is remembered that the embarkations took place at night and in great haste and that among those evacuated there were Greeks and refugees." So, if we do not include Greeks and refugees, and stick on the Commonwealth force we indeed have c. 45,000.
  • Encyclopedia of Battles gives the number 41,000 for the evacuated forces.
  • As you can see, I have also researched the issue ... Anyway, I will edit the article accordingly, in order to expose all the different sources and versions concerning the evacuation figures.--Yannismarou 10:51, 14 September 2007 (UTC)