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[edit] Personality

The following is an account of a post I in my evanescent wisdom made on the Ganon talkpage.

I don't know what you think but I think Ganon exhibits behaviour consistant with Antisocial Personality Disorder, a personality disorder closely correlated with psychopathy. A person with this disorder is referred to as a sociopath. It's normally caused by feelings of anger and bitterness towards the world as a result of growing up in a harsh enviroment. Ganon seems to be very angry and bitter towards the world as a result of growing up in the harsh enviroment of Gerudo Valley. Sociopaths also usually exhibit a complete lack of remorse (check), either very low or very high intelligence (in his case the latter), a strong sense of entitlement (he appears to believe that he deserves to rule the universe and remake it in his image) and pathological egocentricity (Ganon does seem to think highly of himself). What do you people think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.133.200.236 (talk) 21:44, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but this is mostly original research, and is not allowed on Wikipedia. You would probably gain more out of this by posting it on a Zelda forum, or something like that. Haipa Doragon (talk) 21:51, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Antisocial personality disorder is often misunderstood by both professionals and laypeople.
"Although antisocial personality disorder cannot be formally diagnosed before age 18, three markers for the disorder, known as the MacDonald Triad, can be found in some children. These are, a longer-than-usual period of bedwetting, cruelty to animals, and pyromania[10]."
Cruelty to animals - not really. His army is mostly composed of monsters and the like, and he's only really cruel to people.
Pyromania - while he is shown walking in flames in OoT, he usually uses magic or electrical attacks.


"Common characteristics of people with antisocial personality disorder include":
  • "Persistent lying or stealing" - lying, yes, stealing, no - he does not steal the Spiritual Stones, for one, he blackmails them
  • "Recurring difficulties with the law" - Only in TP
  • "Tendency to violate the rights and boundaries of others (property, physical, sexual, emotional, legal)" - possible, but this is purposeful
  • "Substance abuse" - no
  • "Aggressive, often violent behavior; prone to getting involved in fights" - not unless he is forced to it - he has the self-control to not fight unless he's forced to
  • "A persistent agitated or depressed feeling (dysphoria)" - not really - he is not grateful that he was born in a deathland, but he is optimistic, and looks for opportunities to overcome
  • "Inability to tolerate boredom" - seems to tolerate it when he has to
  • "Disregard for the safety of self or others" - not unless he purposely wants them dead - he doesn't hurt his allies
  • "A childhood diagnosis of conduct disorders"
  • "Lack of remorse for hurting others" - they're his enemies, and they're trying to force him to go back to a hellish no-man's-land, in every game. No one just says "Here, Ganon, we'll let you and your Gerudo live in Hyrule Castle Town"
  • "Superficial charm" - yes
  • "Impulsiveness" - no
  • "A sense of extreme entitlement" - ...no. He accepts that he covets it, and he does it out of want to escape pain. I dare you to find him once saying "I deserve to control everything" - he says he can control everything, and certainly exhibits the power to, but its more greed-based and less "this is what I deserve"
  • "Inability to make or keep friends" - not at all
  • "Lack of guilt" - maybe
  • "Recklessness, impulsivity" - not at all

He does not exhibit the kind of uncaring neglect for others that Sociopathy is described by - he instead is a warlord that views others as his enemies. A Sociopath would hurt others because he doesn't feel their wellbeing is a cause not to do what he wants - they just don't care about others. Ganondorf actively views them as his (and sometimes his tribe's) enemies. He is also very thorough in his plans, as compared to the impulsivity that characterizes sociopathy.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 23:02, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok. It was just a thought. I took Psychology for A-Level you know. Yes I suppose it is original research, it's just I notice that both the articles on Uka Uka and Doctor Neo Cortex from the Crash Bandicoot games state that they exhibit behaviour consistent with classical psychopathy so I thought that the possibility of Gano suffering from APD warranted a mention. Never mind.86.133.200.236 21:34, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

^Personally, I agree with the initial poster. To KrytenKoro, just becuase Ganon does not tick every single box in regard to common characteristics of antisocial personality disorder, it does not mean that he outright can't possibly be diagnosed with psychopathy of this sort. For example, you may be suffering a cold, this however doesn't mean that you are displaying every single simptom that has ever been associated with a cold, you may only be displaying 2 out of all 14 as described by the wikipedia common cold article, but you know it's still a cold.212.219.254.158 15:17, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

This is all irrelevant, because it's original research. Pagrashtak 15:46, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, Pagrashtak. To 86: Except that Sociopathy is characterized by a lack of concern for your effects on others. Ganondorf does not have this at all - those he hurts, he sees as enemies already. He cares that he hurt them, and takes it into his plans - he just doesn't exactly have their best interests in mind.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 04:44, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

But you are making Ganon out to be a saint when in fact he is evil personified. Of course he lacks concern for his effects on others BECAUSE he thinks they are his enemies. And he regards everyone to be his enemies because he's paranoid. Most of his enemies are his enemies because he tried to kill them. Of course he lacks remorse and guilt, he'd be a pretty pathetic excuse for a King of Evil if he suffered remorse and guilt. And furthermore he certainly exhibits most of the traits of Antisocial Personality Disorder. Inability to keep or make friends, well whilst he is known to be highly charismatic he doesn't seem to have many friends, just lots of servants and followers. Recurring difficulties with the law, I'm sure there's a law against trying to enslave the world. I fail to see how his tendency to violate the rights of others being purposeful makes it any less significant. Sociopaths don't exactly violate the rights of others accidentally do they? Finally I find it highly doubtful that Ganon cares that he hurts people. He seems to enjoy it. He care about anyone but himself. Besides it's original research anyway, I just wanted to set the record straight. -- 86.133.200.236 (talk) 22:32, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

...no, I'm not. There is a huge difference between not caring, as sociopaths do, and doing it on purpose, as evil beings like Ganondorf do. "Paranoid" - when has this been shown? He's accurate at assessing who his enemies are. Remorse and guilt - umm, play TWW again. Inability to make friends - again, prove it. Difficulties with the law - I'm sure you understand how that symptom is meant to have a different gist. As for against enslaving the world - no, there's not. People just don't like it. "How it makes it significant" - BECAUSE THAT IS THE WHOLE THING THAT DEFINES IT AS SOCIOPATHY. Yes, they do violate others rights on accident, or at least, not on purpose - they simply don't care. Ganondorf cares what he's doing, and has reasons for it. A sociopath would let someone on a train track die because its not worth their time to save them. An evil being, like Ganondorf, would put them there.
This is exactly why trying to play psychiatrist on Wikipedia is a bad idea, since people (like the article warns, actually...) who try to diagnose are often wrong.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 05:48, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
It doesn't matter, because it's all still original research. We CANNOT, I repeat CANNOT put original research in the article! DurinsBane87 (talk) 06:57, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Calm down, DurinsBane87. We're not going to put it in the article we're just debating different points of view. Alright Krytenkoro, I see your point. I just meant that whilst Ganon commits his evil deeds on purpose he doesn't care that people suffer as a result of them. 86.133.200.236 (talk) 13:17, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Please see WP:FORUM; Wikipedia isn't a place for speculative discussion. Haipa Doragon (talk) 13:22, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
No, he does care. That's the whole point. He's not aimlessly going around, taking what he wants and not caring what happens - he enjoys the suffering of his enemies, and hurts them both for that enjoyment and for strategic purposes. This is the opposite of a sociopath, who is merely destructively careless.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 08:14, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

I see your point KrytenKoro. I stand down. Sadist would be more accurate but even then it's speculation. 86.133.200.236 (talk) 20:04, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh Ganon is undoubtedly a sociopath 86 but to say so on Wikipedia without verifiable sources would sadly not be allowed on the grounds of OR. Damn shame. --Illustrious One (talk) 19:38, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Freeza

Please do not add content without citing reliable sources, as you did to Freeza. Before making potentially controversial edits, it is recommended that you discuss them first on the article's talk page. If you are familiar with Wikipedia:Citing sources please take this opportunity to add your original reference to the article. Contact me if you need assistance adding references. Thank you. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:07, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't know what you're talking about dear fellow. 86.133.200.236 (talk) 19:18, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Voldemort edits

I thought I had fairly clearly expressed the issue. Did I miss something?. And btw, when writing to me, could you please sign your posts using hte four tildes? It makes it easier to respond. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 22:10, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lord Voldemort edit

Please use the proper coding for references. Writing them out, as you did here does not work: it fails to create links, and it is not dynamic (so if the references are later altered, the numbering does not change with it). The easiest way to learn how to create proper references is to look at the code that is already present in the page that gives some references. Magidin 19:08, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I tried to just fix the referencing, but I noticed that you actually removed several references (thus changing the numbering), so that it became too difficult to know what it was you thought you were referencing. So I undid your edit and would encourage you not to obliterate the references and to be careful with your coding when you attempt to do it again. To refer to a citation that is already in place, look up the code of any place where it is references. In one place it should read <ref name=NameOfReference>Body of Reference text.</ref>; to have a footnote to that reference, all you have to do is include the code <ref name=NameOfReference />. If the footnote you want has no "name" attached to it, then add one that is somewhat descriptive and easy to use at the location where the citation is first used, and then you can reference it as above. If you want to create a new reference, read how here. Magidin 19:30, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Replied on the Lord Voldemort talk page. 86.133.200.236 20:34, 4 December 2007 (UTC)