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[edit] RE: Lou Beale

The information on Lou Beale comes from the EastEnders special called "EastEnders: Civvy Street", and also from the EastEnders books by Hugh Miller. The aim of Wikipedia is to build an encylopedia, and any information we can get about these characters is good, so please stop removing it. Thank you. Trampikey (talk to me)(contribs) 13:03, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I have read the book by Hugh Miller and watched Civvy Street. They mention Harry, Dora and Ronnie but NOWHERE is it mentioned that these characters moved away from Albert Square in their 20s or that Ronnie ran his father's stall, until leaving with his wife 'Gail'. That information is unconfirmed by any offical source and therefore does not belong on the page. Unless you can prove that this information is not something you made up yourself, I will continue to remove it from Lou Beales' page and/or report you to Wikipedia. I have done a lot of work for this page, under this IP address, my username NotFred and the IP address of my old computer so keeping it top quality is in my best interest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.68.244.230 (talk • contribs)

Ronnie, Gail and Dora moved away in the book EastEnders - Book Two: Swings and Roundabouts, and Harry moved away between EastEnders - Book One: Home Fires Burning and Swings and Roundabouts. It's all there in the books, and as a long serving member of WikiProject EastEnders, I'm not going to add unsubstantiated information to an EastEnders article. If you continue to remove this information, I will continue to revert your edits and/or report you also. Good day. Trampikey (talk to me)(contribs) 20:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

In that case, you should make a distinction between what has happened on screen and what has happened within the novelisations. These characters are NEVER mentioned on screen and your insistence to include them in this article without ANY explanation will only serve to confuse the casual-viewer/reader. Feel free to report me but you will get nowhere as I am only working to protect the integrity of an article I have contributed a lot to, and urging to you to do the same. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.68.244.230 (talk • contribs)

Don't worry, when Ronnie, Dora, Gail and Harry have book character pages, it'll be made clear on their articles that they appeared in the book. Ronnie and Harry, however, did appear on screen, in Civvy Street. Source- IMDb. Trampikey (talk to me)(contribs) 21:03, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok mate, except Dora isn't mentioned on your source information - so I have re-edited that bit. I have also edited (and will continue) to edit Lou Beale's page to make this very important distinction between what happened within the serial and what did not. You can't go on about a woman like Lou Beale loving her family so much and then a few paragraphs up admit she had three kids who she never heard from again - and never even came to her funeral! Oh by the way, my sources are as official as you can get http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/eastenders/characters/character_content/character_lou_b.shtml

Ronnie is mentioned (as deceased) No Harry or Dora? Right, well, if anyone should know - it's the BBC! I have edited her profile page accordingly. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.68.244.230 (talk • contribs)

The BBC site hardly strives to collect all information on the show. Derek and Sue Branning appeared in the show, but aren't mentioned on Jim's profile - so are you saying they don't exist? Your most recent edit to the article was very padantic, removing the characters from the "Family" section, when I had added references. I will create the Harry, Ronnie and Dora articles tonight if possible, then when people click the links on the Lou Beale article they will see that the characters appeared in the books. Trampikey (talk to me)(contribs) 19:13, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

All my edit did was to reflect the most official source we have for the character, nothing wrong in that. And I also more clearly defined the distinction between the TV Serial and it's spin-offs, which should be made more clear - and it is not enough to ONLY have this mentioned on their own character pages. If you really are not aware of the confusion your type of haphazard profiling is causing, I suggest you check out this link http://talkwalford.co.uk/ipb/index.php?showtopic=2563&st=100 (I am 'Markus' on that site). Wilkipedia should be informing, not confusing by just sticking all the information together without much explanation.

AND I QUOTE "DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING WIKIPEDIA HAS TO SAY, THEY'RE NOT VERY RELIABLE"!!!! For someone who claims to be a longstanding member of WikiProject Eastenders, you should care more about reflecting your Eastenders information in a more accurate and clear manner. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.68.244.230 (talk • contribs)

I replied to that post using my username "Shamelessness" - to clear up any confusion with members of that forum. You should take a look too, maybe it will clear up some of your confusion, too. I will now edit your contribution to Lou Beale, as I think it is unsatisfactory, but will not, per se remove all of your contribtion, I just think the waffling about Dora would be more suited to an article about Dora. Trampikey (talk to me)(contribs) 20:36, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that Trampikey. :) As I said before, I am 'Markus' on TalkWalford and if you read my posts you will realise that I had already made an effort to sort out some of the confusion you had created. I completely agree any information regarding Dora would be more suited to her page. I am glad you agree that it is very important you make a distinction between what happened in the life of the serial and the life of the spin-offs, as they do not tie in 100% and our primary focus should of course be on the serial. Any reference to characters such as Harry, Dora and Ronnie therefore belongs PURELY on their own pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.68.244.230 (talk • contribs)

Of course references to Lou's children belong on her page. She gave birth to them for goodness' sake! And you are wrong, as our focs should be to gather any available information, not just to focus on the serial, we have to provide extensive encyclopedic knowledge, which includes gathering all information we can possibly find, not ignoring certain parts of the character's life. Trampikey (talk to me)(contribs) 16:58, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

EastEnders is a television serial, so of course the focus is on the television programme itself. That is not to say information regarding it's spin-offs is irrelevant but there is a very important distinction there. I think it is wrong to suggest the information from the spin-off novelisations directly ties in directly with the happenings of EastEnders, that is what you seem to fail to understand, and therefore trying to write it all up together makes for an in-accurate characfter profile. I have no problem with these characters and events getting their own section on Lou's page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.68.244.230 (talk • contribs)

The events do' tie in though, such as Pauline and Arthur getting engaged on the day of her sister's wedding - in the book, Dora gets married and Pauline misses the ceremony as she has 'flu, so Arthur proposes to her to cheer her up. The focus of WP:WPEE is to provide a comprehensive character history for each character, using all abalable information. That is what we were doing until you started removing the information! Trampikey (talk to me)(contribs) 17:17, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gungadin discussion

Hi, I notice you seem to know quite a lot about Lou Beale. I was wondering if you have any information on one of Lou's other children, Maureen, who allegedly also died. Is she mentioned within the series? Or did she appear in civvy street? I have one EastEnders book called EastEnders who's who, which briefly mentions that Maureen died in infancy, but know nothing else. Apparently she's not mentioned in the hugh miller novels. Do you have any extra info on this? Gungadin 20:38, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi Gungadin. I believe Lou was supposed to have a child which died in infancy. At the time Sue and Ali lose their child Lou is very very understanding and talks about it from a personal point of view. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.68.244.230 (talk • contribs)

[edit] Lou Beale

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert a single page more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you. -- AnemoneProjectors (talk) 21:18, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I am not taking away any of Trampikey's edits, apart from those which are not factual and have not been confirmed by an offical source. I am adding much needed explanation to Trampikey's information, which he/she then immediately deletes by reffering to his old edit. In my eyes, what he/she is doing is therefore very unfair and not within the spirit of Wikipedia at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.68.244.230 (talk • contribs)
The point is that you reverted a page four times which is a violation of Wikipedia policy. Your latest edit to the article was not a complete revert but was a partial one. I have warned both you and Trampikey about this edit war. Please do not make further changes to the article but rather discuss changes on the article's talk page until a consensus can be reached. Thank you. -- AnemoneProjectors (talk) 11:09, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, Trampikey just made another revert and therefore another violation of Wikipedia policy. I hope you will be taking appropriate action. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.68.244.230 (talk • contribs)
It's three reverts a day. You might want to read up on the three reverts rule, just to make sure there are no more violations! Trampikey (talk to me)(contribs) 16:31, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Hey Guys, Maybe we should open this up for discussion on the Lou Beale Talk page. We can try and come to some kind of resolution, I'll start a discussion there. All input welcome Gungadin 16:38, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Julie Fernandez

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