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Moved a discussion here to the article being discussed, Talk:Master E. S.

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Moved a discussion here to the article being discussed, Talk:Ancient Egypt#Article ancient Egypt under section 20, Article ancient Egypt

Moved a discussion about a photograph of Alice Prin that went missing on September 10 from her article - to user_Talk:TheParanoidOne

Copied a discussion re article Dinosaur concerning popularity of Jim Gary 1990 Smithsonian exhibit to User talk:Firsfron

Moved a discussion here to the article being discussed, Talk:Deity

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1 user:70.28.166.197
2 Great Trail
3 Elizabeth, virgin queen, goddess, etc., etc., etc.
4 Guide to referencing
5 Parthenogenesis
6 Article ancient Egypt
7 Alice Prin photographs
8 Fair use rationale for Image:Howardduck-b.JPG
9 Dinosaur re popularity of Jim Gary exhibit at Smithsonian 1990
10 Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Nat geographic world premier edition cover.JPG
11 Boa Island
12 History of monotheism
13 DYK
14 106 Famous Women
15 Image:LionChaseZebra-cropped.jpg listed for deletion
16 Orphaned non-free image (Image:Briggs Cunningham Time magazine cover April 26.1954.JPG)
17 Image copyright problem with Image:Karl Benz and Bertha Benz gravestone - vdetail2.JPG

[edit] user:70.28.166.197

I've removed this user's edit to [{Engraving]]. I agree with you its clearly WP:POV and not sourced from reliable sources. That edit was made nearly two months ago. I will keep an eye on the user and any further infractions will be met with a block. In general its perfectly permissable to remove an edit like that one, and invite the user to discuss matters on the article's talk page. Good luck, Gwernol 20:49, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Great Trail

Thanks for the excellent additions to the Great Trail article. You did, however, include info that doesn't belong in this particular article and I will have to cut it back accordingly. House of Scandal 04:22, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your note about your edit at Great Trail, have noticed a word left out that I will replace. I'll also take up a little further discussion at Great Trail under "discussion", Talk:Great Trail so it is available at the article. See you there... 83d40m 16:12, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Elizabeth, virgin queen, goddess, etc., etc., etc.

Goddess Elizabeth, invincible virgin, always (forever) queen, also (even more) Caesar(ess) of England and France, and powerful Empress of Spain, strongest fighter in defense of the Christian faith, wisest patron of all scholarship*, most fortunate* victor* of the immense (wide) oceans, founder of the College of Jesus (Christ College?) at Oxon.

* Literarum should be Litterarum; Faelicissima s/b Felicissima; triumphatrix is not classical Latin (oh well)

Hope this helps!. •Jim62sch• 23:56, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Guide to referencing

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Using references (citations)

I thought you might find it useful to have some information about references (refs) on wikipedia. These are important to validate your writing and inform the reader. Any editor can removed unreferenced material; and unsubstantiated articles may end up getting deleted, so when you add something to an article, it's highly advisable to also include a reference to say where it came from. Referencing may look daunting, but it's easy enough to do. Here's a guide to getting started.

[edit] Good references

A reference must be accurate, i.e. it must prove the statement in the text. To validate "Mike Brown climbed Everest", it's no good linking to a page about Everest, if Mike Brown isn't mentioned, nor to one on Mike Brown, if it doesn't say that he climbed Everest. You have to link to a source that proves his achievement is true. You must use Reliable sources, such as published books, mainstream press, authorised web sites, and official documents. Blogs, Myspace, Youtube, fan sites and extreme minority texts are not usually acceptable, nor is Original research, e.g. your own unpublished, or self-published, essay or research.

[edit] Simple referencing

The first thing you have to do is to create a "Notes and references" section. This goes towards the bottom of the page, below the "See also" section and above the "External links" section. Enter this code:

==Notes and references==

The next step is to put a reference in the text. Here is the code to do that. It goes at the end of the relevant term, phrase, sentence, or paragraph to which the note refers, and after punctuation such as a full stop, without a space (to prevent separation through line wrap):

Whatever text you put in between these two tags will become visible in the "Notes and references" section as your reference.

[edit] Test it out

Copy the following text, open the edit box for this page, paste it at the bottom (inserting your own text) and save the page:

==Reference test==

This is the text which you are going to reference.<ref> Substitute your own text in this space </ref>

==Notes and references==

(End of text to copy and paste.)

[edit] Information to include

You need to include the information to enable the reader to find your source. For a book it might look like this:

<ref> Smith, Timothy: "A Guide to Planets", page 29. Solar Publishing, 2001 </ref>

An online newspaper source would be:

<ref> Plunkett, John. [http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/story/0,14173,1601858,00.html "Sorrell accuses Murdoch of panic buying"], ''[[The Guardian]]'', [[2005-10-27]]. Retrieved on [[2005-10-27]]. </ref>

Note the square brackets around the URL. The format is [URL Title] with a space between the URL and the Title. If you do this the URL is hidden and the Title shows as the link. Use double apostrophes for the article title, and two single quote marks either side of the name of the paper (to generate italics).

The date after The Guardian is the date of the newspaper, and the date after "Retrieved on" is the date you accessed the site – useful for searching the web archive in case the link goes dead. Wikilinks (double square brackets which create an internal link to a wikipedia article) function inside the ref tags. Dates are wikilinked so that they work with user preference settings.

[edit] Citation templates

You may prefer to use a citation template to compile details of the source. The template goes between the ref tags and you fill out the fields you wish to. Basic templates can be found here: Wikipedia:Template messages/Sources of articles/Citation quick reference

[edit] Same ref used twice or more

The first time a reference appears in the article, you can give it a simple name in the <ref> code:

<ref name=smith> DETAILS OF REF </ref>

The second time you use the same reference in the article, you need only to create a short cut instead of typing it all out again:

You can then use the short cut as many times as you want. Don't forget the /, or it will blank the rest of the article! A short cut will only pick up from higher up the page, so make sure the first ref is the full one. Some symbols don't work in the ref name, but you'll find out if you use them.

[edit] Example

You can see refs in action in the article William Bowyer (artist). There are 3 sources and they are each referenced 3 times. Each statement in the article has a footnote to show what its source is.

[edit] Next step

When you become familiar with the process, the next step is to have one section, "Footnotes", with links embedded in the text, and another, "References", which lists all of your references alphabetically with full details, e.g. for a book:

Lincoln, Abraham; Grant, U. S.; & Davis, Jefferson (1861). Resolving Family Differences Peacefully (3rd ed.). Gettysburg: Printing Press. ISBN 0-12-345678-9.

If you're ready to go into it further, these pages have detailed information:

I hope this helps. If you need any assistance, let me know.

Tyrenius 03:09, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. 83d40m 14:06, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Parthenogenesis

We already have an article concerning Virgin Birth. Parthenogenesis is not the place for it. —Viriditas | Talk 03:21, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article ancient Egypt

Thanks for your efforts cleaning up ancient Egypt. I removed an image you put on the article because it is really low quality and does not really reflect wiki's best work. I would like to include images in the article that exemplify more than a single idea at once. For the art section, I was thinking of having an image of Hatshepsut, which would show the distorted 2-D perspective and the use of art for a political purpose all at once. I am hoping we can find a really good quality image on the commons for this purpose. This same logic should hold true for other images on the article, but we don't want to end up with too many, or it will seem crowded.

I appreciate your efforts, and don't hesitate to ask questions or to discuss content. Jeff Dahl 01:53, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Glad to see you have been doing some work on the religion section of ancient Egypt. Do you have any books we can cite for this section? Thanks, Jeff Dahl 22:38, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Moved discussion of content to the article talk page, Talk:Ancient Egypt#Article ancient Egypt 83d40m 15:14, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alice Prin photographs

Hello there. It's been quite a while since I've looked at Wikipedia, let alone edited it, so you'll have to refresh my memory. Exactly which image/article are you refering to? Looking at the revision history of the Alice Prin articles, I've never made an edit to it. Please elaborate and I will see what I can do.

(Despite your request, I'm responding here as it seems unlikely that you will still have my talk page watched more than a month after your comment there). --TheParanoidOne 01:25, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I am moving the discussion back to your page User_Talk:TheParanoidOne to keep it all together.--83d40m 13:24, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Howardduck-b.JPG

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Guess I need help with these two images -- I have read the instructions and thought I was following the directions for fair use since the article into which I was placing them is about the film. I interpreted the instructions to be that this was a fair use. I made a statement in the summary to that effect. Will pursue the help pages. 83d40m (talk) 00:42, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Please see whether the fair use statement for the two images is adequate. I have inserted a statement for each image, the image description page and the image description page, and removed the tag that had been placed on -b alone.

Thanks for the help 83d40m (talk) 18:23, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dinosaur re popularity of Jim Gary exhibit at Smithsonian 1990

Hi 83,

Thank you for your contributions to Dinosaur. Your input into the content of this article is appreciated. However, I did again revert your changes to this article. It reads like an ad: "The director of the Smithsonian Institution's National Museum of Natural History in Washington, D.C., Larry O'Reilly, stated that the clever and appealing dinosaurs created by sculptor Jim Gary, put on exhibition by the museum for four months during 1990, attracted the largest attendance on record for the museum." and is supported by this reference, which does not say anything about four months, or (more importantly) the statement that "the exhibit attracted the largest attendance on record for the museum." That part is not cited, and since it's probably the only part that could be used in a section discussing the popularity of dinosaurs, I have removed it.

Dinosaur is a Featured Article, meaning it represents the best of Wikipedia's articles, with good citations from reliable sources. The sources need to confirm what we say in the article. The obituary you used does not do that. Best, Firsfron of Ronchester 01:43, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. I felt that it was extremely germane to the article because of the indication of popularity and was rather dumbfounded by the reason for removal. I must have used the wrong reference for this aspect because one of the sources I had found quoted the director about the draw. Perhaps it was in the Smithsonian magazine article published in 1990. I'll track that down and come back to the article when I can provide a reference for that evaluation of the exhibit. Will copy this to your page also. 83d40m (talk) 18:42, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi 83,

Thanks for your understanding. I look forward to your further contributions on dinosaur-related articles. Best wishes and happy editing, Firsfron of Ronchester 19:14, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

You are most welcome -- I think we are here to help one another create the best articles we can for our readers -- nice to have someone take the time to explain a terse comment that could be misunderstood, positive reinforcement and all that...! -- 83d40m (talk) 20:35, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. That's a great attitude, 83. :) Sorry for the terse comment. Best wishes, Firsfron of Ronchester 03:03, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Nat geographic world premier edition cover.JPG

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Thanks for the notice. I have inserted the rationale at the image and hope that I have fulfilled the required information correctly. 83d40m (talk) 23:23, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Boa Island

Hi, thanks for your excellent work on Boa Island. If you have a lot of information about the Janus figure, you might want to create a new article specifically about it. All the best, Bláthnaid 14:40, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your compliment. I would like to avoid the "Janis" implication and stress that it is the Boa Island figure... in order to let this unusual statue have its own recognition as a Celtic figure and I will pursue it as time allows when I have more details gathered about it and the similar stone carvings of its period. There are other two faced statues in other cultures and it is a shame to relate this to the Roman one just because a poet was familiar with that one... I'll let you know when I tackle it and am copying this discussion to the page itself for future reference. 83d40m (talk) 00:52, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I look forward to reading the article. :) Bláthnaid 10:48, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] History of monotheism

Some of the text you introduced to Deity:

"Tantalizing images of what may be tens of thousands of years of worship of deities who seem to have been unchallenged and essentially unchanged, therefore easily suggesting that perhaps, humans believed in a single deity initially"

This seems very non-neutral ("tantalizing"?), and feels like original research. Can you cite it? Ilkali (talk) 09:56, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I am moving this discussion to the page Talk:Deity to keep it related to the topic.83d40m (talk) 07:36, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

On 17 January 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Two Ladies, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri (talk) 11:23, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

reply posted on Carabinieri user page: Thanks for the heads-up about Two Ladies being chosen for an entry in DYK. I looked at the column for today, but did not see the entry, will it be posted later, or did I miss it? That is a nice reward for the work putting the article together. 83d40m (talk) 23:47, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 106 Famous Women

Have worked heavily lately on editing De mulieribus claris. Also added many new biographies of the list that were previously red links (they are all blue now). Found the main picture in the right corner of the article and added it. Also put in all the pictures on the right next to the names of the biographies. Also did a lot of work on De Casibus Virorum Illustrium. Lately one of my articles also was featured on DYK of Westinghouse Time Capsules. --Doug ^talk 16:50, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image:LionChaseZebra-cropped.jpg listed for deletion

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Replied on Kla’quot talk page and at the discussion about it and two other images tagged for deletion at Lion. Agreed with the proposal to delete them. 83d40m (talk) 23:31, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned non-free image (Image:Briggs Cunningham Time magazine cover April 26.1954.JPG)

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[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Karl Benz and Bertha Benz gravestone - vdetail2.JPG

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inserted and tag removed - thanks - 83d40m (talk) 15:17, 15 March 2008 (UTC)