User talk:82.153.101.34

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Hello. Before making potentially controversial edits, it is recommended that you discuss them first on the article's talk page. Otherwise, people might consider your edits to be vandalism. Thank you. --Jay (Reply) 06:27, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Jay Leno

How can facts about someone be vandalism or controversial ? It looks to me that some people want to distort reality by forgetting some aspects they do not want to see while all I want is to be thorough. Isn't completeness and thoroughness the goal of an encyclopaedia? Please add back the section I typed, along with the sources I provided. 10-dec-05

[edit] RE: Jay Leno

Well first of all, thank you for posting your opinions at my talk page. You have a point there about "some people want to distort reality by forgetting some aspects they do not want to see while all I want is to be thorough." And I agree with that in part, however, encyclopedia's mustn't turn into places to post editorial type comments. I know that you are trying to be thorough, but my revert still stands because: 1) Has it ever occured to you that Jay Leno is a comedian? Before you decide to respond, just think of that for a moment. 2) Your source might as well be pepsi.com for a coke article, simply because it is an editorial focused on "french bashing" - give me say, the New York times as a source, and we can discuss further. 3) Your contributions may have some truth, but we must only post relevant facts - a post like that on the George W. Bush page would be deleted without dispute. Please refer to this policy for more detail. Thanks --Jay (Reply) 18:46, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re 2

I think you are unfair.

1) His declarations were done when he was the interviewee, not the interviewer, and not while he was acting.
2) Sources include journals such as the LA Times to which he gave interviews. You did not even took the time to look at the sources apparently. Your analogy with pepsy is misplaced, at best.
3) It's your choice to think it is not relevant to you, but you should accept that it is relevant to others.

Also I find surprising that you think that because he is a comedian, he should not be accountable for what he says when at work. He writes his own scripts, so he is accountable for what he says. And he is definitively accountable when he is interviewed and encourage hatred against French people or people with French origins.

I go back to my point that if someone does not want to include something that he (you) does not appreciate, those things gets deleted on this site. I do not think it makes wiki a reliable source, but more a revisionist tool. It's my opinion, and it is based on my experience with your site!

Attempting to erase some facts to rewrite history is plain WRONG.

12-dec-05

[edit] Lets put this issue to rest

Well I guess I was mistaken. Carry on;

Welcome!

Hello, 82.153.101.34, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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[edit] Goodwill

As a gesture of goodwill why don't YOU add back what was deleted? I do not want to have to add it back myself to see another administrator (JIP or someone else) delete it again, and again, and again. If YOU add it back, that matter will really be put to rest.

Thanks for doing the necessary modifications!

12-dec-05

[edit] Dictatorship

Well I really did not want to have to add my paragraph YET ANOTHER TIME (probably the 10th). But as you, "Master Jay", gave me your insurance that it would not be modded down this time, I did it.

Guess what?

Less than 5 minutes later, another "administrator", "JIP", had deleted it again from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Leno on the claim it is vandalism. And blocked me and the entire subnet for 24 hours, even from posting on your talk page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Master_Jay#Re_Jay_leno.27s_French_bashing

My experience with wikipedia demonstrates that Wikipedia is a site where Freedom of Speech is banned. It is a site where if an administrator does not like something, he/she can label it as "vandalism" and simply delete it based on that pretext. The fact that what he/she is deleting is backed by hard data does not matter.

Needless to say, such dictatorial behaviors do not make wikipedia a reference in my eyes. It's more a revisionist tool to rewrite history. I will not waste my time no more with dictators. I do not like people burning books, even electronically.

You see, I was right to ask YOU to add it back ;-)
Now it sure is put to rest, but not in the right way.

15-dec-05