User talk:81.149.27.200

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I wish to negotiate this with you. I don't konw what problem you have with my edits but let's discuss this reasonably. Doc_glasgow agreed that perhaps he over-reverted, DaGizza seems to agree with the articles on Malhotra. I am not disputing the existence of a Dhai Ghar, but the fact that most on Wikipedia don't know of one means you have to present Wikipedia:Reliable sources to stop us from thinking you are doing Wikipedia:Original research or betraying the Wikipedia:Neutral Point of View policy. Have a nice day. dishant 08:16, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


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I had corrected some unsourced entries made on the Luthra page including ones that appeared to strongly exaggerate the Luthra's role in India and appeared to breach wikipedia NPOV style. I assume you are a Luthra as you have then gone to other pages I have edited and removed my updates.

If you feel sources need adding, then please message me rather than vandalising my entries.

I have added sources for the Dhai Ghar link.

I have also reinstated prominent malhotra's that you have removed, including clearly notable entries such as one of the only 2 Indian astronauts Ravish Malhotra who has his own page on wikipedia and the noted Judge Justice H R Malhotra of the Delhi High Court etc.

Hope this clarifies things.

I have included some of your edits and am in discussion with admins as to whether your sourcing is good enough. Thankyou for whatever cooperation you have applied. I have been working on many Punjabi-surname articles and have been adding Devanagari and Gurmukhi transliteration. We have come into conflict on only a few articles and I hope we agree more on other ones. dishant 05:45, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


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[edit] Stop making things up

It says "The Gupta Dynasty assumed control of Northern India in 400 CE, and the Kshatriya, including Luthras, joined forces with the Guptas to maintain law and order in what became India's Golden Age.". Stop making things up to justify your unjustifiable reverts which probably arise out of jealousy that another family name has a decent article. dishant 03:39, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


Having checked your claims and sources provided for grand claims about the Luthra family it appears to me and I quote -

  • "Luthra's..are known for their prominence as warriors and of the ruling and administrative class" The source provided (ref. 9) -source does not say that !!) What it actually says and I quote "Luthra Indian (Panjab): Hindu (Arora) and Sikh name based on the name of an Arora clan. "
  • Another grand claim "The Gupta Dynasty assumed control of Northern India in 400 CE, and the Luthras joined forces with the Guptas to maintain law and order in what became India's Golden Age." again no source is provided.
  • another claim "Many Luthra's are extremely successful in terms of business" again no evidence or source
  • Another claim by Dishant55555 *"Mainly Luthra's were involved as warriors in various Indian military battles. They were generally at the front-line or in the higher ranks and were known for their bravery amongst Kshatriya." Again no evidence to back this up.

Wikipedia is to be based on FACT, NOT what someone would like a family history to be.

And stop vandalising users pages who correct your unsourced grand claims about your family.

I can't believe you are making things up!!! AGAIN!
  • The real text is "Luthras are Kshatriya and are known for their prominence as warriors and of the ruling and administrative class"
  • The real text is "The Gupta Dynasty assumed control of Northern India in 400 CE, and the Kshatriya, including Luthras, joined forces with the Guptas to maintain law and order in what became India's Golden Age."
  • The prominent Luthra's including Vandana Luthra are successful so one can deduce that.
  • The real text is "As Kshatriya, They were generally at the front-line in battles."
STOP MAKING THINGS UP!!! dishant 23:21, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please stop

This is your last warning.
The next time you vandalize a page, as you did on Khatri and Luthra, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia.

[edit] =Reply

I and other users have edited your Unsubstantiated peacock claims about the importance and prominence of the Luthra (your) family who you have claimed are prominent in businessmen, the army, Indian history etc . Claims for example of a "prominent politician" turned out to be a losing candidate in a small municipal election, which I reverted as it did not meet wikipedia guidelines.

You have then vandalized edits by those users such as the Khatri and Malhotra pages. You have previously received a warning not to vandalize.

[edit] Good

Thankyou for not reverting my edits on Khatri, it seems like you have understood what your edits were doing. dishant 07:37, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Talk page conversation

Let's discuss the differences of our versions on Talk:Malhotra and Talk:Luthra. dishant 02:33, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Reply POV edits and vandalism by Dishant55555

The issues as I see them are -

A) Has Dishant55555 been making grand unsubstantiated POV claims about the Luthra family and citing fake sources ?

B) Has Dishant55555 been repeatedly vandalizing edits by users who have reverted his POV ?

A) Grand unsubstantiated POV claims -- Good example is on the Luthra Page under Role in Society paragraph [1] where he makes the claim and I quote "Luthras are Kshatriya and are known for their prominence as warriors and of the ruling and administrative class." and provides an alleged source for this claim Click here. The link however says that Luthra is an Indian surname NOT that they are known for their prominence as warriors and of the ruling and administrative class. He makes further POV claims about Luthra's prominence in the army but again is not able to provide any reliable source for his claims. The examples of his peacock claims can be see at this link - [2] from the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.

His exaggerated claims have been removed by Admins recently for example [3] showing that I am not the only one who finds him edits unworthy of inclusion on wikipedia. Other "Prominent" Luthra's Dishant55555 had added include- a "Prominent Biologist" who turns out to be a biology student, a Prominent Politician who turns out to be a losing politician in a small municipal election etc etc. I had reverted these and left a message on the talk page saying I am happy to leave them there if he is able to provide reliable sources for his claims. He has not done so and instead has been vandalizing pages I and other users who reverted his peacock claims including Khatri and Kapoor pages.


B) If you look at the differences in his and my edits on the Malhotra page vandalism of the Malhotra page you can see an example where he has removed dozens of lines of sourced edits with external reference links. He suggests he has tried to talk to me before but has not had a reply which is fictitious. I posted my comments a month ago and on his talk page [4]

His vandalism is now cleverer and he has now changed tack and keeps adding fictitious claims that Malhotra's are Vaishya caste and converted to Islam and have changed their names to persian ones etc. He provides a single reference for all these claims which turns out to be one he has cut and pasted from the khatri page (4th last item under Reference) -even the page numbers match exactly !

He also makes a fictitious POV claim that "Most Malhotra Shaikhs are now settled in Pakistan." There is no such thing as Malhotra Shaikhs as Malhotra's never converted to Islam. A google search [5] comes up with just one entry which is Dishants5555 fabricated entry on here. Malhotra is of course a Hindu or Sikh Kshatriya caste name as can be seen on the [[6]]. In India people are proud of the religion and caste and falsely changing this on a reference work I find offensive. He also makes petty edits such as changing an edit that Malhotra's were the subject of a TV series (which is a NPOV fact) to adding " because of the commonness of the Malhotra name" which is his unsourced POV. He is also still currently deleting most of the Reference section on the Malhotra page.

I think the facts speak for themselves. This is your final warning to Dishant55555 not to vandalize pages.

Those are not issues at all. The issues are the problems between our two versions and our job is to resolve these problems. Again, I request you to stop attacking me and my alleged POV and instead discuss diffs directly. Again, I request you to talk about these diffs on article talk pages where it is meant to be done. Please conform wtih these requests, I have placed concerns on the Malhotra page which you have not replied for a very long time. Also, your claims that my reverts on Malhotra are revenge from your reverts on Luthra are fabricated. As a look through my contributions proves that my revert on Malhotra was before your revert on Luthra, which probably came as retaliation. dishant 07:25, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

I'm still prepared to see your view of things, I don't think there should ever need be any enmity here between us. dishant 08:22, 27 May 2007 (UTC)