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[edit] Andy Murray

Point 1. My user page also say I am proad to be British. I am also proad to be from Leicester. I'm also proad to be from Thurmaston. All these are posible.

If they are possible and Andy Murray has stated explicitly that he is proud to be Scottish, even wearing the saltire on his kit, what on earth makes you think British takes precedence over Scottish, particularly when "Scottish" infers "British"
And what make you think that Scotland takes precedence over Britain? You should add as much information as you can on Wikipedia. To say Scotland infers Britain is a stupid argument. On here you have to assume your readers knows nothing. A reader my read this article see Scotland and not know it is part of Britain. That arguement would mean London would do over Britain because London infers Britain. If it said Murray was a British Tennis player born in Scotland fair enough. It should be as most are to be honest and have his birth place included after his birth date after his name. At the end of the day he represent Britain in sport, not Scotland.
The article states that Murray is a Scottish tennis player and that he is the highest ranked British player. It mentions both. It says he is British and it also says he is Scottish. You are being unreasonable by trying to remove any reference to him being Scottish. We are being reasonable and also calling him a British player.

Point 2. No consensus was decided. Youand your Scottish mates just keep spouting the same thing and never answer any points.

It was. Check through the page history. Murray was described as Scottish for a long time.
I have checked the history. All it is you saying it is consensus and say Scotland is a country followed by others like me pointing out that consensus is the general way in which other atricles of simular content are done. That consensus is to use Brtish.
Nt on the discussion page. Check this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28United_Kingdom-related_articles%29
What you are proposing has already been rejected.

Point 3 =. You know alot about consensus for someone who can't be bothered to sign up.

I have been signed up for a long time. I just forget to login occasionally, and remained signed up so you knew I wasn't acting as a sockpuppet.
Well you should try to sign in everytime as it make discussions harder.

Point 4. I referenced four articles saying Murray is British yet you removed the for two that losely i mply he is Scottish. I think the BBC, Sky the ATP and the Telegraph are better references than the Scotsman.

Lossely imply? The fact that he is Scottish needs no reference in the first place. It's just a fact.
The fact he is British needs none either. That is fact.

Point 5. It is clearly you who is pushing your own agenda. I want all Tennis articles to be on a par. Rusedski, Henman etc are refered to as British. Lewis Hamilton, Iwan Thomas, Jamie Baulch, etc are all refered to as this as well. But when it comes to Scotish sports people they are all refered to as Scots. So refering to them as Scots is clearly against the consensus for the rest of the UK. All the Scottish people involved in this debate, if you click in there user pages are clearly very proad to be from Scotland, no mention of Britain, so it would seem that you are the ones pushing the Scottish way rather than us pushing the British way.

My agenda is shared by the majority and that is backed up by the fact that his page stated "Scottish" for a long time before you or Dewarw showed up.
Your agenda is only shared by Scots. Consensus isn't that he the article was created saying he was Scottish. If the article was created saying he was a monkey would it be true?
It is not only shared by Scots, and I doubt you would get a consensus calling him a monkey.

JimmyMac82 13:42, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

PS Also in one of your edit summarys you stated you could find many references to state he is Scottish. Well I could find many to state his is British. If you references are all the Scotsman, the Dumfries Bugle and the Glasgow Times, they are not as giood a references as mine which included the ATP (governing body of Murrays sport) the BBC (world renowned broadcaster, one of the most trust brand on the planet), Sky (britain premier sports channel, with the most watch sport news program in the country), the Telegraph (apparently Britians top selling broadsheet). You need trusted sources, or the best ones possible, otherwise you could reference a forum. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JimmyMac82 (talk • contribs) 14:51, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Andy Murry warning

Sorry, when I found the page I just saw the sources being blanked, and thats what happened. Apologies. • Lawrence Cohen 16:07, 5 September 2007 (UTC)