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[edit] Danzig rule is Danzig (Gdansk) 0r Danzig (now Gdansk, Poland)

Balcer [1] and especially Space Cadet [2][3] [4], Tulkolahten, Saturday [5] etc etc are constantly disregarding Wikipedia Danzig rule .

After 1945 Danzig became Gdansk (Danzig)

For Gdańsk, use the name Gdańsk before 1308 and after 1945 In biographies of clearly German persons, the name should be used in the form Danzig (Gdańsk) and later Danzig exclusively In biographies of clearly Polish persons, the name should be used in the form Gdańsk (Danzig) and later Gdańsk exclusively. For Gdansk and other locations that share a history between Germany and Poland, the first reference of one name in an article should also include a reference to other names, e.g. Danzig (now Gdańsk, Poland) or Gdańsk (Danzig). An English language reference that primarily uses this name should be provided on the talk page if a dispute arises.


[edit] Amazing Tall Tales and other Gross Nonsense at Wikipedia

Wikipedia entry Georg Joachim Rheticus (1514-1574) shows under: Later years... the canon of Warmia Georg Donner and ... were patrons of Rheticus. Clicking on Georg Donner one reads that he lived from 1693-1741. Just how trustworthy is Wikipedia?

Wikipedia entry Fruitbearing Society shows as a member Robert Anstruther.

Another amazing 'Wikipedia-fact': the Fruchtbringende Gesellschaft (Fruitbearing society) existed from 1617-1680 and Wikipedia's Robert Anstruther- der Fleißige lived from 1834-1886

Only at Wikipedia (and perhaps its many mirror sites) will you find the East-Prussian river of Pissa directing to the Italian city of Pisa or the Inse river to Isara Hittite goddess as in this Prussian river Pissa linked to Pisa.

[edit] Constant removal of facts and extreme POV controll group at Wikipedia

The book by Leopold Prowe, 1884 (Band 1, 2) on Nicolaus Copernicus contains a large amount of reprinted actual text Nicolaus Copernicus documents, correspondence his own statements as to Terra Prussia, Lande Preussen as his homeland (Prowe,page 25) and his original text of the Preuscher Mun(t)cz, Preussische Muenze (Prussian Coin Reform), which he wrote in 1519 at Allenstein,Prussia, which he brought in 1522 to the Prussian Landtag at Graudenz and which he translated as Moneta cudendae ratio by 1528/29 and which in 1530 at the meeting at Elbing was agreed upon by Duke Albrecht of Prussia.

Leopold Prowe Leopold Prowe: Nicolaus Copernicus, 1884

A group of people are constantly removing these and a large amount of other facts. This is particularly rampant with any information that does not conform to the groups very nationalistic POV. Any information pertaining to places and people in eastern parts of Germany or eastern Europe, which was conquered in 1945, is systematically removed, vandalised, falsified or reverted. People and places are constantly branded as Polish. Records showing contrary are disregarded and persons showing these are bullied and mobbed, and bombarded with intimidating messages numerous times. This has caused nearly all of Wikipedia entries to be severely controlled by this group only without much regard for factuality.

The following remark by Balcer refers to Andreas Schlüter (place of birth Hamburg?)

If you make invalid accusations of vandalism, you will be reverted automatically. Balcer 22:43, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

For the Hamburg claim, some English references would be nice (or at least translations of relevant passages, as this is English Wikipedia) At any rate, do you have any references more recent than 1916 and 1935? The last date was in the Nazi period, which does not inspire confidence. Balcer 01:32, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

-vital info posted here - again - because of constant removals by Balcer etc- even old Wikipedia veteran like Space Cadet (01:54, 18 May 2007 (UTC)) - seems to have nothing better to do sometimes.


[edit] Andreas Schlüter

Andreas Schlüter (May 20 1662/64 – May 1714) was a baroque sculptor and architect associated with the Petrine Baroque style of architecture and decoration.

Schlüter, son of Hamburg sculptor Gerhard Schlüter, was born in Hamburg or Danzig (see links below) (Gdańsk), where he also spent his early years. Before 1696 Schlüter was married to Anna Elisabeth Spangenberg.

In Danzig Schlüter decorated the facade of the royal chapel, in 1681. Later he created statues for King Jan III Sobieski's Wilanów Palace in Warsaw and sepulchral sculptures in Zolkiew (Zhovkva). In 1689, he moved to Warsaw and made the pediment reliefs and sculptural work of Krasiński Palace.

He was called to Berlin in 1694 to work as court sculptor at the Zeughaus for Elector Frederick III of Brandenburg-Prussia. His sculpted decorations are a masterpiece of baroque expression and pathos. While the more visible reliefs on the outside had to praise fighting, the statutes of dying warriors in the interior denounced war and gave an indication of his religious beliefs. Travelling through Italy in 1696, he studied the work of masters like Michelangelo Buonarroti und Gian Lorenzo Bernini.

He also worked as an architect and built many state buildings in Berlin in his role of "Hofbaumeister" (Court Architect) which he lost when one tower showed signs of a week fundament. He also served as director of the Akademie der Künste from 1702 to 1704 until concentrating on sculpturing again, as "Hofbildhauer" (Court Sculptor). His most important Equestrian sculpture is that of the "Great Elector", Frederick William of Brandenburg, cast in 1708 and placed at "Lange Brücke" near the Berlin City Palace, now situated in the Charlottenburg Palace.

The Berlin City Palace, and many of his works, were partially destroyed by bombing in World War II and by the subsequent Communist regime. A similar fate happened to the Bernsteinzimmer Amber Room, made between 1701 and 1709, Schlüter's most famous work of architecture created for the Berlin castle. There it was admired and gifted to Czar Peter the Great.

In 1713 his fame brought him to work for Tsar Peter the Great in St. Petersburg, Russia, where he not long after died of an illness, after creating several designs. Together with Johann Friedrich Braunstein, he designed the Grand Palace and Monplaisir Palace in Peterhof. Also the city's oldest building, Kikin's Palace, and the reliefs at the Summer Palace are attributed to him.

[edit] Some extant works

[edit] External links

[edit] Guttstadt, now Dobre Miasto

This edit [7] bordered on vandalism, pure and simple. That town has been in Poland for the last 60 years, and having an article about it with the German name at the start is simply totally incorrect. But then you know that, hence your edit was vandalism. But anyway.

Listen, I think it must be clear to you by now that with me and Space Cadet following your edits, any POVed information you put in will not stay in Wikipedia very long. Still, we are not out to get you, we are reasonable people willing to engage in reasonable discussion. However, it is very difficult to seriously engage in such discussions with a person who does not have a login, and whose IP fluctuates.

So, if you want to be taken seriously and to reach some kind of a modus vivendi with other users interested in subjects connected to Danzig and other formerly German parts of Poland, please get a login, and join the Wikipedia community as a productive member, instead of conducting this guerilla campaign.

All the best. Balcer 00:59, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

The edit [8] reflects the name as it is known for many centuries- as it was known in the beginning- as the article starts from the beginning. The article does not start in 1945, only then the translated Dobre Miasto became officially used.

Listen, what you and Space Cadet (and your other buddies) make clear, is that ONLY YOUR POV information is input, constantly. Removal of vital, statistics such as in this case (and the continous removal/reversal of any actual facts by Space Cadet etc) borders strongly on vandalism.

Or perhaps you guys are just a group of adolescends, who still have to finish high school?

I enjoy engaging in serious discussions, but with people, who constantly remove, revert, make only onsided POV edits? I don't think so Cheers

[edit] Gabriel Fahrenheit from Danzig (Stadtrepublik - City Republic)

Please do not add unhelpful and unconstructive content to Wikipedia. Your edits appear to be vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you.--Poeticbent  talk  19:28, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Poeticbent's intimidating message refers to Gabriel Fahrenheit [9], where the incorrect Wikipedia entry concerning Gabriel Fahrenheit, born in Gdansk, Poland, was corrected to Gabriel Fahrenheit born in Danzig.

Actually, the version you are trying to deface says born in Danzig (Gdańsk) in Poland. Why do you object so much to the mention of the country in which that city was located at the time? Balcer 20:23, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Actually, these [10] and [11] Wikipedia entries sum it up niecely as grotesque. Fact is, Danzig was never in Poland. Only since Danzig was conquered in 1945 by Soviet Union, is it called Gdansk, Poland.
Wasn't it founded in Poland under the name Gdańsk, though? And wasn't Royal Prussia a Polish province? Space Cadet 01:41, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
If you have some new ideas about the status of Danzig, History of Gdańsk is the place to discuss them. Don't try to sneak them into other articles only tangentially related to Danzig, without references or discussion. Anyway, where did you get the idea that Danzig was a republic? Do you believe history is something that you can just make up yourself? Or are you just totally ignorant? If you know so little about European history, you might consider writing about something else that you are knowledgeable about. Wikipedia has over a million articles now, you should be able to find something. Balcer 02:43, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Seems to me that y o u are the totally ignorant one. You should be able to find something else, if you know so little about European history.

For references on Arthur Schopenhauer in Danzig and many other Danziger inhabitants throughout the centuries one might look at Danzig Stadtrepublik. Google search also has 235.000 results for Danzig city republic. One can also read up on city state/ city republic of Danzig in wikipedia.de Anyway, have a nice day

Those 235.000 results when you search for Danzig city republic pick up plenty of hits like
  • First Note from the Diplomatic Representative of the Republic of Poland in the Free City of Danzig
Not much of proof then. And who cares if in German historiography it is called Stadtrepublik (if it is). This is English Wikipedia. Find English sources. Balcer 23:28, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

You're joking of course? this is English???? Wikipedia. A large part of the so-called English Wikipedia is rather in Polish language. So of course you don't care if in German historiography is is called Stadtrepublik, that is what the Danzigers called it though. But here it is in English language : Danzig City Republic 1454 to 1793

Wonderful, 23 references, some dates of publication: 1922, 1923, 1939, 1938, 1936, 1854. Wikipedia is supposed to reflect the current, most up to date historical research. Not this. Balcer 14:50, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gdańsk or Danzig or Prussia or Poland

I suggest to refer to the city in biographies as "Danzig (Gdańsk)", as recommended by the vote, without any claim for Prussia or Poland as the addition of one or the country has proven time and again that it only fuels edit wars. After all, the biographies are about persons, not the history of cities or countries. This is a proposal for a compromise that could bring consensus and allow many biographies to be stable. Please consider it. -- Matthead discuß!     O       18:41, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Answer to Matthead Hi, just came across your suggestion. I agree with you and I have tried that many times myself. Unfortunately that does not work. But we can try it again, and again...

Sample edits show why it does not work.

[edit] Aleksander Brückner

Aleksander Brückner is called Polish even on German Wikipedia (despite your quick recent attempt to change that). Think about that for a moment before you make more reverts. Consider that just because someone has a German sounding name, that does not make him a German. And the fact that Galicia belonged to Habsburg Austria certainly does not make all of its inhabitants German. Balcer 03:10, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Aleksander Brückner was born and lived in Habsburg Austrian Galizien Galicia for about 20 years, then in Berlin, Germany for nearly 60 years. That makes him Polish, according to Balcer and Wikipedia. You think about that !!!

Balcer himself also changed Wikipedia.de- German-language Wikipedia to 'Pole Aleksander Brückner, Polnisch'.

This information posted here, because of ongoing removals by Balcer:

"Aleksander also Alexander Brückner (1856 Tarnopol - 1939 Berlin) was a Berlin University Professor of Slavistics (Slavic languages and literatures), philologist, lexicographer and historian of literature, who wrote in Slavic and German. He is among the most notable scholars of Polish of the late 19th century and early 20th century, as well as the first to prepare complete monographs on the history of the Polish language and culture. He published more than 1,500 titles.

Aleksander Brückner was born January 29, 1856, in Tarnopol in Habsburg eastern Galicia (now Ternopil, Ukraine), to a family of Galicia Germans."

Dr. A. Brückner was not born in Poland, did not live in Poland, rather he lived about 20 years in Habsburg Austrian Galizien Galicia and almost 60 years until his death in 1939 in Berlin, Germany. Yet Balcer and thereby Wilipedia repeatedly declares him Polish and a nationalistic Pole.

Also Balcer feels entitled to strip Dr. A. Brückner, Professor in Berlin, of his Professor title and of his citizenship in Berlin, Germany. [12]

It's you who is trying to strip this great Polish scholar of his nationality. What else is new? Balcer 06:23, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Aleksander Brückner, Professor of Slavistics, was born and lived in Habsburg Austrian Galizien Galicia for about 20 (Twenty) years, then in Berlin, Germany for nearly 60 (Sixty) years. He never lived in Poland. Despite all that, Balcer declares him Polish and strips Aleksander Brückner [13] of his Professor title  ????

Surely you are not claiming that there were no Poles in the world in the 19th century because the country was erased from the map. Balcer 18:54, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

You claim the country (Poland) was erased from the map is contradicted by maps of the time. Here is an English-language map from 1902. Below Prussia you can read Poland (Russia). Using your and Space Cadet's usual style it belonged to Russia, it was an integral part of Russia.

Please educate yourself about 19th century European history. This might help you interpret old maps correctly, and not jump to silly conclusions. Congress Poland was indeed a part of Russia, but Poland as a whole was not, by any definition. Consult this map.Balcer 02:01, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Contrary to Balcer's claim, 'that Poland was erased from the map' there are maps, that show Poland: 1902 Map of Poland by Century Dictionary and Cyclopaedic Atlas (CD&CA) by very highly regarded cyclopedia. Balcer's map is a creation of Wikipedians, who have on every article a note:Disclaimers, Wikipedia:General disclaimer.


Please follow these rules! Balcer 18:40, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

I always do. Please read the rules yourself and please notify a number of other people, who constantly disregard that see: above Danzig rule is Danzig (Gdansk) or Danzig (now Gdansk, Poland)

Do you know what e.g. means? Apparently you missed this obvious point, so let me explain: it means "for example". In particular, this means that the two forms given are examples, not the only two allowed ways that the city can be described. Clear? If you are still confused, please study our article on the subject, under Example.
At any rate, the rule is quite clear on one thing, no matter how you want to spin it: the Polish name "Gdańsk" has to be given (if only because that is the name that the city is known by today). The rule clearly states that the name must be given, not just linked to. It must be visible to the reader. I hope this is clear to you now. Apparently it was not before, as your removal of "Gdańsk" was habitual. here is just one recent example. In light of this, do you still stand by your claim that you have always followed the rules?
This discussion is becoming pointless. If you remove the Polish name "Gdańsk" again from the relevant articles, I will revert you, mark your edits as vandalism, and put a request to an admin that your IP be blocked, in light of your clear and repeated violation of the rules of which you are aware. Balcer 04:49, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Danzig rule is Danzig (Gdansk) 0r Danzig (now Gdansk, Poland) Balcer [14] and especially Space Cadet [15][16] [17], Tulkolahten, Saturday [18] etc etc are constantly disregarding Wikipedia Danzig rule

[edit] Aleksander Brückner

Hi, you seems to be quite knowledgeable about the subject and your contributions are welcome, but please familiarize yourself with Wikipedia policies and guidelines. One of the rules is that all the information should be sourced to reliable sources. Nobody accept controversial information if it is not sources. Unlike the German wiki, here we do not believe people on their word and asking for sources. Please also solve the differences on the article talk pages rather than edit war. I have transferred the relevant talk to the Talk:Aleksander Brückner. If no consensus is reached on talk please follow WP:DR rather than edit war. The last but not least we are trying to provide casual readers with the ability to quickly fix errors by anonymous editing. If you intend to regularly contribute to Wikipedia or participate in the live of the community than it is strongly recommended to get yourself an account. It requires less than a minute, does not create any inconvenience or privacy violation but gives you an access to many features of wikipedia (moving pages, uploading pictures, having your watchlist, voting, editing semiprotected articles, e-mail options, etc., etc.). The last but not least is that many editors tend to disregard contributions from the anonymous editors. Alex Bakharev 02:12, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Professor Dr. Alex. Brückner, A. Brückner, Alexander Brückner, in Polish referred to as Aleksander Brückner

Hi Alex, you seem to be very interested in Professor Brückner. It is true that he, as well as all his large family are very interesting. This particular person has for decades most often been referred to as Alex. Brückner (often without the dot) (sometimes Brueckner or Bruckner).

Here is the best source of information, Google Book search for Brückner Alex (for best results). (there are a few books concerning Czar Peter, Catherine II, Russia, those are by Alexander Brückner senior). From the younger one you get many different Slavic language references (Slovak, Slovene, Croatian, many Czech, as well as Baltic, Hungarian, Eastonian and naturally German languages.

Searching for Aleksander Brūckner on the other hand, you do not get all these, you get mostly Polish language. (Big drawback with search engines, they can hide much info just by not typing in the most used name or word).

Now to your suggestion about the edit wars. I added much information once, all of it got removed by Space Cadet [19], who basically only revert wars. When I notice him or any of the like-minded revert warriors 'getting into action' I step back, which I did. I very much dislike revert warring. So I post the information on my talk so that interested persons may still find it, despite the strong effort of suppressing knowledge about Dr. Brückner, which is contrary to the claim of him being Polish, by restricting it to mostly Polish language results.

There is just something not right, when a person like 'Professor Dr. Alex Brückner gets stripped [20] of his credentials, of his citizenship and so on, as is happening at wikipedia.

Here is an earlier reference to reverts/removals and Space Cadets message that (he) seems to have nothing better to do sometimes (-vital info posted here - again - because of constant removals by Balcer etc- even old Wikipedia veteran like Space Cadet (01:54, 18 May 2007 (UTC)) - seems to have nothing better to do sometimes)

I really do not have the time nor will to get bullied by Wikipedia revert warriors, so I will not be adding much. At some later time I might, not now.

If you have a bit of time and you are interested, please take a look at the google book search results above. Have a good day.

Information on Aleksander Brückner was posted, but removed by Space Cadet and Balcer. Excerps re-posted here:

Alexander Brückner (1856 near Tarnopol - 1939 Berlin) was a scholar of Slavic languages and literatures (Slavistics), philologist, lexicographer and historian of literature. He is among the most notable Polish scholars of the late 19th century and early 20th century, as well as the first to prepare complete monographs on the history of the Polish language and culture. He published more than 1,500 titles.

Brückner was born January 29, 1856, near Tarnopol in Habsburg eastern

In 1889/90 the Berlin University sent him on an extensive study trip, where he gathered material on different Slavic and other languages for his many books. Thus he developed an incomparable knowledge of medieval Polish literature, which he knew from the original manuscripts, and was an expert on Renaissance and early modern Polish literature, as well as other Slavic languages,

On the most central questions of Slavic scholarship, he wrote that in recent times it came to be known that the Slavic and Baltic languages had a commonality and he explained that it developed during several centuries of close contacts, because the languages were originally very different. In his book he details the Fremdwörter (Slavic foreign words), which entered into the Baltic language. He placed the original homeland of the Slavs farther west than most Slavists, on the territory of today's Poland. He believed that the apostles to the Slavs, Cyril and Methodius, had originated the idea of their mission on their own, and he played down the invitation from Moravia; and finally, in a polemic with the Ukrainian historian Mykhailo Hrushevsky, he took a Normanist position on the origins of the Rus', stressing the linguistic and historical evidence for a Scandinavian connection.

Works

  • Litu-Slavische Studien von Alexander Brückner Die Slavischen Fremdwörter im Litauischen, Weimar 1877
  • Russische Literaturgeschichte, 2 Bd., Berlin/Leipzig 1919
  • Polnische Literaturgeschichte, Berlin/Leipzig 1920
  • Geschichte der polnischen Literatur, Leipzig 1922
  • Die Slaven. Religionsgeschichtliches Lesebuch, Tübingen 1926

Web link

  • Alexander Brückner Litu-Slavische Studien Die Slavischen Fremdwörter im Litauischen, Weimar 1877

Google Book Search Brückner Alex