User talk:75.182.98.237

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[edit] Addition of http://spam.easybyte.org external link

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, one or more of the external links you added do not comply with our guidelines for external links and have been removed. Wikipedia is not a mere directory of links; nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Since Wikipedia uses nofollow tags, external links do not alter search engine rankings. If you feel the link should be added to the article, then please discuss it on the article's talk page before reinserting it. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. -- SiobhanHansa 18:48, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

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SiobhanHansa

This and other links added comply with Wikipedia's guidelines.

Please read those guidelines carefully. They err on the side of freedom instead of clamping down. Most people outside of America are uncomfortable with this notion.

The link goes to free music and a midi file. Based on the visitor log to easybyte.org, a lot of people like a link to the sheet music, and how it sounds.

I can provide logs to you that show this. After reading the article on Wikipedia, they download the free music ... often all the pages of the entire piece.

If the link is on topic, and goes to free data on topic, leave it alone. That is the whole point of Wikipedia.

Your personal taste and interests will never encompass the rest of the world. Let other people decide for themselves what they find useful.

Thank you! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.182.98.237 (talk) 19:46, August 22, 2007 (UTC)


Please stop adding inappropriate external links to Wikipedia, as you did to The_Twelve_Days_of_Christmas_(song). It is considered spamming and Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising or promotion. Since Wikipedia uses nofollow tags, additions of links to Wikipedia will not alter search engine rankings. If you continue spamming, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia.

Hi there,
Can I please ask you to take your own advice and read Wikipedia's policy on external links, particularly the sections on Links normally to be avoided and advertising and conflicts of interest. They are very clear:
One should avoid ...:
Links mainly intended to promote a website.
You should avoid linking to a website that you own, maintain or represent, even if the guidelines otherwise imply that it should be linked. If the link is to a relevant and informative site that should otherwise be included, please consider mentioning it on the talk page and let neutral and independent Wikipedia editors decide whether to add it.
Regards Stephen Burnett 20:30, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


Acknowledged ... I will defer to independent Wikipedia editors to decide this issue.

The link is relevent, the data are free, and I thought the guideline pertained to an author of the article pointing to their own website.

In other words, someone writes an article, the whole gist of which is to point to their website, and thereby "self promote" their website. If they can't include their own link, they would never have written the article.

I honestly don't know why my link has struck such a raw nerve with one author.

If I see in my log that someone has searched Wikipedia, followed a link, and downloaded sheet music, I have to say the user is satisfied with what they found in Wikipedia.

Which I thought was the whole point of this project.

If you would like, I'll register and discuss more at length.

Thank you! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.182.98.237 (talk) 20:55, August 22, 2007 (UTC)

Creating an account is encouraged but not necessary. It isn't about your site particularly, rather the way it was added. When your only edits are mass additions of a website to multiple articles we generally consider that to be spamming. Addition of External links to articles, especially linking to copyrighted content, does little to promote Wikipedia's purpose to be a GFDL encyclopedia. We're not simply a portal to all things useful related to a subject. None of which means your site is necessarily a poor one, simply that the way you have added it is not appropriate. It would be great if you would consider editing Wikipedia to add content to articles rather than simply pointing people to your site. Check out the welcome page and our five core policies for more on contributing. -- SiobhanHansa 21:25, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


How about this approach. A link is added direct to a .pdf version of the sheet music, by-passing my web site index page. (This was my original intent, since I didn't want a user to have to search Wikipedia for the sheet music, and then search my index page yet again for the same thing -- just go direct to the music.)

There are already numerous instances of Wikipedia links pointing to other sites with good data, as well as links to commercial sites that just sell stuff. So forgive me if I feel like I am being singled out when gross violations of the spamming policy are happening everywhere else.

As far as the philosophy of Wikipedia, I find the links in an article often times more interesting then the article itself. If Wikipedia discourages links, it just becomes less useful to everyone.

User of Wikipedia are interested in data, not the fine print of Wikipedia policy and philosophy. If they search on "Twelve Days of Christmas", they are probably interested in the sheet music and a sound file too. That is what my visitor logs at easybyte.org show.

I'm gratified that so many people around the world find my arrangements useful, and that is where I want to focus my attention, on the actual music.

Thank you!