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[edit] Global Power Page

In the discussion page of this article, you say you would like to see Italy and India removed and Saudi Arabia included. First, this isn't what you would like, if this was the case wikipedia would be a mess, becaus e everybody would like to see his/her country or the country tha one like included. Second you are kidding. Remove two Great Powers to include Saudi Arabia? If Saudi arabia were included, in first place Italy and India would have to stay, because their power is much much greater,(Saudi Arabia has only a great military spending and that's because of it's position, USA interest on the region and it's petroleum and many other facts, even with all this Italy has a bigger military spending); but geting to the original point if Saudi Arabia was to be included so should be dozens of countries.

ACamposPinho 18:01, 23 July 2006

  • I live in a european country and the influence of Saudi Arabia here is almost zero. When one talks of Saudi Arabia here only cames to mind petroleum and it isn't our greatest supplier,which is Algeria. So Algeria should also be included? And what about Angola..., Lybia, Venezuela?

Saudi Arabia could have influence has I said in Muslim World but in Europe it's only about their petroleum. One has to measure the cultural , economical, military and power of projection. Besides SABIC what is the other great company of Saudi Arabia? Saudi Aramco? Doesn't even enter in Fortune Global 500. You call that influence. S.A. have natural resources, things that are almost always together with poor countries. If S.A. GDP per capita isn's lower is because of the quantity of oil lords/sheiks and the richness it produces. But what makes a country wealthy and influent it's knowledge and tecnhical Know-how. When a sheik wants to buy a great car or watch, does S.A. produce them? No, he cames to Germany, UK or Italy in the car case or to Switzerland in the watch case for eg. And even in military S.A. spends a lot but doesn't produce almost anything. Even Israel has it's own defence companies. S.A. has Tornados that it bought from UK, and Tornado is a project of UK,Germany and Italy. Now will buy EuroFighter Typhoons from UK too and this is a project that besides the above countries include Spain too. Spain for eg. has much more influence in the world. If the G8 expanded you think S.Arabia could enter, Spain could, S.A. only if it expanded to the G30 or even more. And the UN Security Council, if a muslim member enters you think will be Saudi Arabia, could be but Egypt has much more chances, it has more influence and makes a bridge between Arab/Muslim World and Africa. Since when S.A. projects itself globally? Only inthe Middle East region and not onthe whole Arab World. It only projects itself globally in religious matters becuase of Mecca and Medina. But if that's the case there are more christians and the real catholic power is Vatican. Of course not all christians are catholics, but catholics are the majority and Vatican has a real voice in the world. But we are talking of a state of 700 inhabitants. It isn't a nation even, it's a sovereign state, but makes part of the Italian nation, like Monaco it's soveriegn but makes part of France interms of nationality,not citizenship(are different concepts).

AcamposPinho 19:44, 23 July 2006

  • More than Saudi Arabia influence in the Muslim World theocracies it is the Religion influence and that is of Mecca, as a matter of fact it is in S.A. But you think Muslims in Europe or everywhere look to Saudi Arabia as their local of orientation, they look to the Religion in itself and to the Holly City of Mecca. That's like Vatican City, only difference is that Vatican is sovereign, but people always think of Rome when thinking in Vatican, because Vatican is a very tiny quarter of Rome, capital of Italy and Catholic people also look to Italy as the main center of their faith, Vatican is more sinonimous of Italy than Mecca with S.A.,because when one think of Muslim World and Holly City of Mecca doesn't consider it only a city of Saudi Arabia but a city that is in S.A. but belongs to all the Muslim Worl, only Muslims probably think of S.A. as a point of reference.

By the other side even non catholic or even non chritian people tend to look to Vatican as something trully Italian. Look at Vatican "Government" composition- the vast majority of the prelate is Italian and the Pope is also the bishop of Rome, and the Cradinal of Milan(Italy again) is one of the most proeminent figures of catholic hierarchy. And the Italian Congress of Bishops is undistinguable from Vatican hierarchy.
And about Vatican influence, it's not only in Europe, it's in the whole world. Its Soft Power, power behind the scenes,but real power. Look at Vatican influence in the downfall of the Communist Bloc. And look at the Pope funeral- 5 million people atended it in Rome, only Stalin had that people in his funeral, but that was different- it was almost compulsive, while to Pope funeral people gone in their own.
As for influence that is very subjective, you say only Japan and USA have influence inthe wholle World and Japan influence is only economical. I tend to disagree. Russia is very influent, China is growing in every aspect, including influence. And France and UK are also very influent. As for Germany and Italy their influence is more economically as for Japan altough Japan as a bigger economy.On the other side Japan is more periphericall than Germany or Italy. And that is not an european point of view, is a reallistic one. Japan is on the extreme part of Asia, after Japan there is only the Pacific and USA(but far away). And in the extreme point of Asia, Japan cannot influence even the all continent besides having the growing competition of China. Japan has and will have more influence because of North Korea, that is close to it and USA want a strong ally personified in Japan to counter North Korea and China.

ACamposPinho 23:12, 24 July 2006