User talk:72.39.151.5

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[edit] Volvo Page Edit

Liftarn, I am new to wikipedia edits so please excuse me if I have erred. I recently make a change to Volvo_cars to remove a statement regarding the C-pillar that I believe to be incorrect. You replaced it with "The Volvo 745 had some severe problems that could cause sever injuries in a frontal colission.[14]" Apart from the spelling mistakes, that too is an unsupportable conclusion from ref 14 (the Vanagon - Volvo 745 crash test). Please refer to the discussion page for my justification for the edit. Why did you undo my change? User:garlandw72.39.151.5 (talk) 00:08, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

You may fix the spelling if you want, but the facts are correct. Both about the C pillar and the rename from 740 to 940. The full ref is not avaoilable online as far as I have found. // Liftarn (talk)
Please clarify. Please explain how there is a problem with the Volvo 745 C-pillar based on the video images of the reference. In the images, the C-pillar is not damaged. The A-pillar is squashed right up to the B-pillar but that is NOT because of a faulty design; it is squashed because the Vanagon is high. Any vehicle will undergo an A-pillar deformation if the impact comes in at that height. I repeat, it is not a fault of the 745; it is merely a consequence of this particular accident. Since the images were posted on a Vanagon site, it appears that the point of the test is to show that the Vanagon is not quite the death trap that it first appears to be because the front structure is quite rigid and higher than a typical car. To prove the point, they crashed it into what was widely achnowledged to be one of the safest cars on the road at the time - the 745. They could have used a big Mersedes and have gotten the same result. This of course points to an important safety issue, the mismatch of vehicle heights, that deserves a full discussion given the number of SUVs and large trucks on the road these days and the push to smaller, greener passenger cars. But again, to finger the 745 as the issue is wrong. I am not disputing the fact that the 740 series became the 940 series; that is well known. Nor am I disputing that the 940 has some safety improvements over the 740 (SIPS for instance). I am quite familiar with the 745 and I have never heard of the C-pillar weakness that you claim. I also checked with the large collection of experienced people in the Volvo owners community at www.brickboard.com. They never heard of a C-pillar weakness. So please back up your claim that there are severe problems in a 745 that could cause severe injuries in a frontal collision. If you can't do that, then please remove that statement as per the spirit of Wikipedia. User:garlandw72.39.151.5 (talk) 11:58, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
The original source is a Folksam study that showed a weakness in the Volvo 745 design. // Liftarn (talk)